Can i has athena as start unit

umm.. as start factory

Specops gonna last right until people start plopping planes in 1v1, and then it's planes-athena-groundfacs pregame RPS.

Drugs pregame RPS is bad mkay?

I think the solution here is to make a spider commander with a cloak at spawn. Would allow forward expansion, but not super fast spec ops plane. Spider could be a 1 weapon commander, maybe like a super death ray for special. I saw someone taling about spider commander on earlier post and I think it would be a great addition.

recon is nice, but some maps play more to a buffer up weaver than jump pack. An immediate push toward an elevated position, maybe a forward radar, maybe spider base on top of a mountain. I feel it is unique enough that it would have its place. Some maps are mountainy, sometimes I dont want to have to press j then regive orders every time. It would just be fun to have and though the hole it would fill isn't neccesarily that important of one, it still exists that no commander can move over all terrain without giving jump orders. Im just spouting an idea out, I had heard of spider commander's and think it could be a fun addition if not the biggest of additions. Is it really so much to want some spider roleplay? I would enjoy and use it.

hmmm i can still see it becoming the new meta overnight.. it will be the new strategy.. almost all will start Athena and then switch into facs after expanding.. dropping off a con at each main location

quote: If Athena was changed into "commander" its construction options would ahve to be changed to mirror other commanders or it would be very OP.

If Athena was a commander:
- It would be five times faster than the Recon commander (43 vs 210)
- It could run around the map at its 210 speed, making mexes everywhere(commanders can make mexes)
- Commanders have plop, so it would be able to plop anywhere.

quote: hmmm i can still see it becoming the new meta overnight.. it will be the new strategy.. almost all will start Athena and then switch into facs after expanding.. dropping off a con at each main location

Right until someone starts planes and kills the Athena in the first two minutes. Then ZK devolves into a pregame RPS:
- Start Athena, win against normal facs
- Start Planes, win against athena
- Start normal fac, win against planes.

quote: i want my crab commander back

Crab can't build, so at least ask for a Krow.

also it might be best if it was built in strider hub and not gunship

Plopable Strider Hub would be nothing but a noob trap.

you guys are lobsters....
if (noob) add "Striders are very expensive units, that you cant afford at start unless you know what youre doing" to lab description tooltip.
the wellbeing of individual outweights the wellbeing of many potential nubs. unless youre fun police and you were raised with idea that skateboarding is a crime... then nothing will help you :(