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buttered side down and accumulation perspective

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here are two theories i was thinking about recently

buttered side down theory goes like this..

when you drop toast it often seemed to land buttered side down and after a while a myth emerged that toast always falls buttered side down

it has since been solved to 3 things

butter may be heavier or create less drag

toast may be held most often at the correct height to turn once on the way to the floor

people remember it more when it lands butter side down because of the trauma

.. the last part is the part that made me think about conflict so in getting to my over all point i need to mention now accumulation perspective.. when someone commits a crime and we scold them or even punish.. then next time we dont have the same response to the same crime.. our response increases in severity.. its how police officers and military some times end up going too far.. every time a situation occurs more stress and aggression enters the heart of the one with power..

tldr

we can always remember the times someone trolled.. but its harder to remember all the times they did not

we tend to judge based on the past rather then the present crime

on a side note i feel like we should treat trolling like a drug

and the war on drugs fails..

so we should rehabilitate trolls
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3 years ago
Rehabilitation is not something you make somebody else do. You facilitate it, but then they have to choose to do it. Not everybody does, and they cannot be made to.
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3 years ago
Very much agree with AUrankAdminAquanim above, and I'm someone who does believe in rehabilitation. Since you can't force trolls to do so, you'd have a more productive time looking at why your community attracts and facilitates their bullshit. If the community conveyor belts some portion of it's userbase into discontent, the problem will always reoccur on an ongoing basis.

A simple take on why that would be here is because it is a game literally mired in conflict. There can only ever be one winning team in any match, and so it's a system designed to produce losers (and winners) endlessly. For those players who take things too seriously or can't lose with grace, you'll have problems. Because players turn up to play zero-k at varying stages of their lives / maturity, you're guaranteed to run into the issue time and time again even if you rehabilitated previous offenders. It's akin to "acceptable losses". Operating "costs".
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3 years ago
The title attracted me to the thread in hope of discussing all those interesting hypothesis on buttered-toast mechanics. I was hoping for someone to pack a Navier-Stokes solver to check the drag hypothesis or maybe come up with a relativistic approach (does the mass of butter bend the space in a way that increases likelihood of on side landing down?).

Instead the OP uses the boring perceptual aspects as a transition to make the thread diverge into a trolling discussion... My default expectation is that any thread will converge to that subject eventually, but this is the only time I have witnessed things going off-topic during the very first post!

Now, can we please return to the topic and discuss what's in the title?
Does any1 have a friction coefficient for the air-butter boundary?
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3 years ago
I have nothing to say about toast, but when a portal on a ceiling moving downwards at 20 m/s runs into a cube on a platform, that cube will inherit the 20 m/s as it exits the paired portal.
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sliced Bread without butter has holes in it, butter covers up the holes. more Holes = more drag because aerodynamics
so the butter side has less drag and therefore falls faster, which makes the bread turn so that the faster falling side faces downwards
so butter lands on floor more often
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correct and almost correct.. as the toast turns because its sitting on a platform of toast sized air and that makes no sense so it wants to fall off.. turning on its side is the easiest because toast is lazy.. then the air gives it spin just as it starts to roll and enough spin to cycle so the distance then plays the next factor ... maybe.. if you dropped it from near space it may work out an ideal toast flight pattern and go diagonal at hero speeds .. and toast in space is a long gravity game.. maybe butter is denser so over eons the toast will turn around.

butter also has some minor drag not worth mentioning due to oil being able to kind of grab the air a bit O.o apparently wet things are a gas interface sometimes.. due to micro deformations caused by air pressure.. microscopic vortex sometimes called whirlpool on the surface formed by the rushing air fight with the oils cohesion and this can actually get quite strong just as the bread is turning

tiny oil droplets are ripped violently from the surface and the air and butter entangle in a writhing explosion of micro butter missiles that are hurtled at speeds that obliterate half of them due to impacting air resistance shock-waves.. but some small flecks of butter inevitably fall unnoticed upon the immense kitchen wasteland to nourish the night creatures

a computer tried to solve this and went mad.. it just kept saying over and over.. "such a simple question.. so many answers...."
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quote:
AUrankStuff: ... so the butter side has less drag ...


If that is actually the case, a plane with toast-wings and butter on their upper side would experience more lift than an identical plane that is only lacking the butter, right?

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AUrankSmokeDragon: ... microscopic vortex sometimes called whirlpool on the surface formed by the rushing air fight ... the result is an explosion of micro butter missiles that are hurtled at speeds that obliterate half of them due to impacting any small air resistance shock-waves ...


Those vortexes would increase drag on the butter side. Those butter-oil-missile would also transfer an impulse to the toast in direction uf the unbuttered side, when leaving it. Both effects would result in quite the opposite as to what AUrankStuff hypothesised w.r.t. a toast-planes lift.

We can easily find out by building several identical toast-planes and measure their flight behaviour in a wind channel. (Use feather suspension to measure any lift generated.)

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USrankAdminSteel_Blue: ... that cube will inherit the 20 m/s as it exits the paired portal ...


That would be especially true for cubes of toast, buttered or unbuttered? Would that yield to an experimental setup?
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"more lift than an identical plane that is only lacking the butter"

yes and to quote at the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy

planes would then not 'float in the air in exactly the same way as bricks dont'

on-top of the regular catastrophic loss of craft and crew the plane would get

soggy
eaten
burn
torn
bent
snapped
dry
crumbled
moldy
stale
liquefied
and crushed on an almost minutely basis

so its best to use unmanned toast aka 'drone toast'
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3 years ago
quote:
so its best to use unmanned toast aka 'drone toast'


Indeed, a manned launch - if at all feasible - would have to be preceded by lots of unmanned experiments. At an early development stage one would have robotic toast circle the earth. One could then gradually test with living organisms. I suggest lobsters, as they have a robust shell, possibly increasing the chances of retrieving data from their remains and they are not known to eat either toast or butter (experimental confirmation required).
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3 years ago
the word is lobsters are terrible at doing things.. except as a life-form they are AMAZING! creatures.. and they never age ????? omfg
annd they have armies.. friggin millions of lances coming over the underwater horizon and a literal tonn of eyes gleaming with the tidal moon.. and you know.. there coming for you
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