Solving our issues.

I support your idea of more differentiation in different rooms. But we already have small teams, experienced only and matchmaker queue actually. All we need to do is using them instead of everybody playing, speccing and even waiting in one room. Sometimes 4 non-specced players wait until the end of the big teams game instead of joining a new one.

Why replace the elo system with a worse system? Balance based on 24 hours is no balance. If anything we could use a system that can handle teams better (Trueskill or my approaches to generalize elo for teams). But that's quite complicated mathematically.

What I really support is a "No Elo" room for practicing purposes. It should be balanced by elo, but not affect it. noelo modoption is not the same as a room. However people should play at least about a third of their games ranked to keep their elo updated.

As this could hardly be forced, a much better possibility could be hidden "casual elo" for this room. Of course it would be like normal (teams and 1v1) elo now, but there would be a differentiaion between serious playing and only practising.

Kinda talking about the same topic in 2 different threads so I just paste my response from the other thread in here.

Well right now. we have 101 players online. I think personally this is the main issue. There no incentive to use small teams or medium teams and because of this, everyone goes into one room.

If you generally play with more then 8v8. Desyncs tend to happen. The games are a large clusterfuck which puts off many people.

I generally feel that if we made some effort into the ranking and created leagues then we may actually have people taking part more and we have more games going on instead of Zero K just being that casual experience where you have fun.

Also Sprung just having a room called "small teams" isn't enough to have people go into the room. They need incentive to go there. There is no incentive to play in small teams room unless you want to play in a small team but generally this is outweighed by the fact that you have to wait for someone and this can be tedious so we all just cluster into one room since it still effects the same ranking.

At the end of the day all I am proposing is to create a "offical" ranked room where there is a offical player size of say 4v4 as an example and have all other rooms as "casual non ranked rooms"

This way those of us who like to be competitive will play in the ranked rooms while the ones who want to play massive clusterfuck or just play for fun can play in these rooms without having to rage at others who are not trying to win with the best of their effort.

My optimal suggestion would be to create different leagues to allow there to be room for the community to grow because right now. This one room where clusterfuck happens is what causing the player base to "stagnant"

Also this solves the issue with smurfing as we can put in "conditions" for them to take part in competitive modes.

quote: Most people don't give a rat's ass about ranks

http://xkcd.com/285/

I don't want to completely abandon very big team games, too, even though my preferred game size is 3v3. But indeed lots of people actually want at least a bit bigger teams and indeed high limits are part of the problem.

I suggest some "clusterfuck days" with unlimited (or 12v12) team sizes and some no clusterfuck days with maximum 6v6. For example the odd numbered days of a month could be clusterfuck days and the others max 6v6. So one is not restricted to certain days of a week, but always knows which day it is. Note that there are a little more odd than even numbered days. Bigger games could still be done in custom rooms.