Quake

Silo missile Quake should go through shields. And quake should be cheaper. Also vertical launch should be available (like Shockley alternative fire).
Why? It allows effectively disrupt enemy enemy crabe spires, weaken terraformed areas (like trolling with terraformed ships and terraformed porc) and also even deal wits roach platforms for some time. Shield makes useless Quake.
Quake can also be used to terraform out digged units like striders but it prove unsuccessful in one game when two of my banthas get digged in and Quake failed.
Quake is almost no used in games. It could be great weapon vs terraform. I think terraform is too cheap.

I'd rather see Quake persistently affecting terrain below buildings than piercing shield. That way EMP missile can disable a shield before Quake levels terrawalls (or vice versa).

Quakes in general need a buff. They could be a great counter to crabbe spires and dirtbag fields. Try cutting cost by 70% and see what happens.

SnuggleBass - some player can use roach ramp with great accuracy. And also launh blastwings as well.
But yes, I want Quake buff not more for strategical reasons, becasue roache ramp would be OP, but more for outtrroling trolls.

As I was saying before Quake in ZK has too few use cases for the price tag. I think for the current utility it should be priced no more than 150 M/E.
Before you propose what could be done with Quake I suggest you take a look how it works in "zke:test".

Fealthas, Spire is very cheap, you will get tired (and poor) trying to counter spires with Quake. Crabe on spires or shieldballs, need something what Shaman called pulsar, specifically an impulse missile. Whenever I have time I'll make one in my mod.

quote: Spire is very cheap, you will get tired (and poor) trying to counter spires with Quake

In my limited first-hand experience the more expensive Eos actually is cost-effective vs spire Crabes. This is even not assuming you had a Silo to start with: crabe costs 1600 and spire say 100? Silo costs 1200+500 for missile, so they are about even.

The impulse of the blast is sufficient to throw off the Crabe, and the damage is sufficient to significantly hurt it even in armored state. After being thrown, it tries to get back to position and uncurls, so takes extra damage from falling. If it survives both the direct Eos impact and the fall damage, due to how Spring physics work, the Crabe usually falls towards your side of the frontline in unarmored state and significantly diminished range, allowing you to finish it off (for some expected extra cost, of course).

Quake doesn't do the direct damage, of course.

My opinion of the quake is that it should have vastly increased impulse.

quote: Why should i need Shockley if i just need in cheap way disrupt enemy terraform?

You don't need a Shockley if you "just need a cheap way disrupt enemy terraform". In that case Quake would be enough.

Extra impulse is good idea, but I don't know if it will be enough.
It still costs way too much... unless impulse is so great it tosses reapers off map.
A large cost cut might be necessary too.

I don't understand why everyone is so conservative about buffing useless units that never get used. Make people want to use them first, and then tone them down if they prove to be too strong.

http://zero-k.info/Static/UnitGuide#unit-Quake
In that section is written that Quake have 20 damage. If there would be fall damage then Shockley should damage target as well but it doesn't do it. So i assume that Quake have direct damage.

I'm fairly confident Quake is quite good already, it's just very niche.

As a tank player I can see it being cost effective very easily. My Goliath got buried/stucked by enemy Nanos/Scalpels/Rogues/whatever? I'll just fire a Quake. If it saves my Goliath I just made huge cost by trading a 400m missile for a 2.2k unit and denying the enemy up to 880m of reclaim. Nearly 8x cost made.

Sure, cons could unstuck a Goliath or a Reaper as well, but I won't always have cons join my raids. They are much slower than Reapers or even Goliaths, get killed too deep in enemy territory, etc. And even if they are nearby, they still have limited buildpower. A Quake hit flattens the ground instantly on impact.

Even saving a single Reaper with a Quake is very cost effective, especially if one considers the potential reclaim value of the Reaper.

There are also lots of maps with cliffs. People usually assume these cliffs are impassable walls for non-spider units. Perhaps there's an elevated Stardust protecting the only non-spider entry to the main base. If I have Quake, I can enter your base through the cliffs with my Ravagers/Reapers/whatever and there's not much you can do about that. 400 metal for that is nothing in the later stages of the game.

Quake is essentially a 6000 range instant terraform bomb. Comparing this with the puny ranges of constructors and their limited buildpower it should become apparent how the Quake can be a valuable asset for supporting one's attacks and raids to enemy territory in the later stages of the game.

I'm not saying that a slight buff to Quake is not worth considering. However, a large buff would seem very unnecessary.