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PENALTY: Highly useless and undesired Roach Cannon B413352

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Firepluk
Oh, so I see we start to ban for using "experimental tactics"
Well done AUrankAdminGoogleFrog

Why don't you ban other players when they are doing some things that turn out to be useless?

I did not break any rules, and was shooting at enemy, did some damage, and it was a big team game in "all welcome" room
so what's your problem? double standards much?

> Highly useless
> undesired
Did you just take this from your head base on personal perspective?
+3 / -0

8 years ago
Okay Roach Cannon is experimental?

Well, we all saw roach cannons for month or maybe even years now, don´t know, but even I made the observation,
that, as strange as it is

1. they never made cost and probably never will

2. somehow the team with a roach canoneer always loses

conclusion: roach-cannon is useless and a good way to troll your own team.
And Firepluk, you are good enough to have realised that too...
Enough said.
+4 / -0


8 years ago
Multiplayer B413340 9 on MountDustmoreV3 too.
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Firepluk
8 years ago
riight, B413340 is more failing
still this is stupid,
lots of lobsters(and not so lobsters) morph their coms each game, suicide them, don't make any price, are being useless/undesirable
and guess what? nothing xD
+0 / -0
Skasi
8 years ago
Firepluk grats on your Kamikaze Award in Multiplayer B413352 14 on Dead Reef v7!
+1 / -0


8 years ago
The issue is not the tactic. The issue is using such a tactic without your team's agreement.

If you ask your team and they don't mind, then you can terraform your base into the bottom of the sea if that's what makes you happy.

If you don't ask and they do mind and you do it anyway, then you get a penalty.
+6 / -2
Skasi
I better start reporting everyone who builds storage while in my team.
+7 / -1
Firepluk
quote:
The issue is not the tactic. The issue is using such a tactic without your team's agreement.

Every single game(big games only) there is a player(s) who morph their useless lobster com without team's agreement
ban dem all!?

After all if you want a highly competitive game there is a small teams host / 1v1
"All welcome" room never had and never will have "the high standards" of 1v1/small teams
+1 / -0

8 years ago
yes, ban them all.

if newbies do so, don´t mind, they maybe don´t know better, but you can´t tell me that a player of your caliber has not realised how useless most(!)
commorphng is. same goes to rafal and the other good players.
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Without wanting to take for Firemen party .
But I remembered that this already up for discussion
and the Administration came to the common denominator ,
that much is permitted in " All Welcome " host .

Next a Roach - Cannon does not cause necessarily much damage ,
but Firemen 's not there the worst .

A game should already be fun and me , for example,
has a Roach Cannon always prepares a lot of joy .

So a bit exaggerated ,
I find the spell already .

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quote:
has not realised how useless most(!)
commorphng is.

Yes its most (not always) not good to "make coast". But its most fun.
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8 years ago
quote:
I better start reporting everyone who builds storage while in my team.


Here's a flowchart to help you understand what might be bad behavior, for those still pretending to be too obtuse to understand basic sportsmanship:

a) Are they doing it because they know it will screw up the team? That's griefing; report them.

b) Are they doing it because they have a brilliant scheme where maybe, if everything works right, it'll actually pay off really well, but probably it won't because it's just a dumb thing to do? If yes, then:

b-1) Did they get the team's agreement? If yes, then there's no problem. If no, then that's not respecting their teammates; report them.

c) Are they doing it because they're a new or low-skill player and are too dumb to realize that building storage is a bad idea? That's fine. That's a consequence of playing with low-skill players. Offer them advice, politely, and live with it if they ignore you (the other team has to live with their dumb players too). Not reportable.

I hope that helps.
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8 years ago
quote:
But I remembered that this already up for discussion and the Administration came to the common denominator , that much is permitted in " All Welcome " host .


Not exactly. Allow me to clarify.

Such tactics have been banned in the Serious room. That doesn't mean that they are allowed in the other rooms, it just means that they have been tolerated so far, in part because no one had made a policy against them, even though there have long been complaints about them.

As of yesterday there is a new policy. The policy is that you must get your team's agreement before trying such tactics. All it takes to get agreement is telling your team what you intend to do; if nobody objects, you're in the clear. Knock yourself out. GLHF.
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Skasi
8 years ago
quote:
That's fine. That's a consequence of playing with low-skill players. Offer them advice, politely, and live with it if they ignore you (the other team has to live with their dumb players too). Not reportable.

Why does this only apply to low elo players? Why are players who do not actively harm their team not welcome in the "All welcome" room?
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IMO crazy stuff such as roach cannons shouldn't lead to ban. If the team doesn't want him to do that, they should just kick him. If there aren't enough votes then it means that his team is not entirely against it.
EDIT: If kick vote was effectively used for such cases you could make a system such that the more kicks you get the longer the time you are not allowed to play in tha room, or something like that.
+6 / -0
Good job AUrankAdminGoogleFrog
Roach cannons are annoying as hell.
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Skasi
Not as annoying as posts with a dozen obsolete line breaks. Also not as annoying as Defenders, Commanders, pathing bugs, low fps and server downtime.
+3 / -0

8 years ago
quote:
lots of lobsters(and not so lobsters) morph their coms each game, suicide them, don't make any price, are being useless/undesirable
and guess what? nothing xD

1) /say I dont want anyone to morph comm
2) wait till useless lobsters inevitably ignore this
3) report
4) ???
5) hammer time
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8 years ago
I assume that these decisions are democratic? As in, more than half the team must veto some strategy in order to make it reportable?
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8 years ago
quote:
Why does this only apply to low elo players? Why are players who do not actively harm their team not welcome in the "All welcome" room?


The admins and devs want a public room where low-skill players can play without being derided or shunned for being low-skill. That's the "All Welcome" room. If you play in that room, you have to be prepared to play with low-skill players and accept all of the consequences which go along with that (knowing that BOTH teams will be saddled with such players and consequences).

The admins and devs have also, finally, decided that they do NOT want a public room where players can ruin the fun of their teammates by engaging in risky strategies for their own amusment against the wishes of their team.

Why would they? Why should they?
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8 years ago
quote:
I assume that these decisions are democratic? As in, more than half the team must veto some strategy in order to make it reportable?

They are not strictly democratic. Whether a tactic requires the team's agreement, and what exactly constitutes the team's agreement, is a judgement call. Here are the relevant sections of the CoC:

quote:
Do not pursue all-or-nothing strategies without the consent of your team. Gambling the game on a risky move without their consent robs your teammates of their agency. You're free to try any strategy as long as you inform your team and they agree to it. The more risky, extreme, or unusual the strategy is, the more important it is to obtain your team's agreement before you start. Play as if you mean to play a full game.

Moderators use their best judgement in deciding when to impose penalties and how severe to make them. They consult with each other to ensure their judgement is appropriate and fair. When reviewing potential violations of this Code of Conduct, moderators apply the spirit rather than the letter of the law.

I expect that most cases are going to be very clear-cut. I expect that in the cases which are not clear-cut, the moderators will issue warnings at worst rather than penalties.
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