storage has been removed globally but been added to the initial commanders. i realised this is an indirect nerf to recon(/front line) com(s), aswell its a bit annoying when u lose your com early. this will force your team to first share you a storage, then probably some eco and maybe cons. your team may lose a lot more time as if you would just resign in such situation and give ur units to team. what you guys think
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Yep, its a nerf. Sort of. Encourages you to protect your commander, since it's death is a larger effect than it used to be. The removal of the magical free storage is a great idea. Admittedly, Storage isn't quite as important as it might be in other games, since you are supposed to be spending it as fast as you can, but it can be problematic for less experienced players. It also makes storage buildings more important, which might cause it to be built more often. I always loved how supreme commander had the commander as your own avatar, with it's death being your death, instead of the external presence you have in other RTS games. Here, the commander is really misnamed, since it isn't anywhere near that critical. The commander is only treated as somewhat important, being a a more durable and armed engineer, but still easily able to be taken out really quickly. It doesn't really feel right.
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Storage isn't quite as important as it might be in other games, since you are supposed to be spending it as fast as you can |
You're supposed to do that in pretty much every game, ZK is no exception. Commander as an avatar is not really relevant to storage but if you want to stop playing when you lose him you can take lessons from fireman use the Comm Ends modoption.
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The commander is only treated as somewhat important, being a a more durable and armed engineer, but still easily able to be taken out really quickly. It doesn't really feel right.
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yup edit: but morphable and so on, its not big lack of balance... but the storage upgrade have increased this abit imho
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It's a direct nerf to Trollcoms, and indirect to shield&cloak/anything with energy The storage only really matters if you actually use Cloak/Shield, since the energy starts warbling off and on. I personally preferred the old system since now I have to take care of my com a lot more, and the thing isn't even combat capable.. If it dies, my whole economy goes to hell (I use HT,which makes it pretty important)
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Global storage removal affect me most if i play with cloaked units. They are fluctuating energy loads. So i m forced to build storage in start if going with com in front.
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Senaven what you need to build is energy, not storages.
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  aeonios - units with cloka have special ability - they use energy more when moving. When i stop then then they use less energy. Building in start energy to compensate entire movment isn't always best startegy especially when usign them on bit large maps. Especially with early infiltrators or snipers. Because i can shoot with nipers while they staying and just stop infiltrator to replenish my energy because 10 energy demand difference. Infiltrator doemand 15 energy when moving and 5 when stying. If i have few of them then energy demand even more larger. But build 30 e worth building for just infi cloak is too much in early or midgame. I needs storage as reserve who can compensate this. If i lost com then they become visible. Its also going abput snipers and mass scythes. Of course its isn't 1 vs 1. Its team games.
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Sprung: Commander as an avatar is not really relevant to storage but if you want to stop playing when you lose him you can take lessons from fireman... |
this is exactly what u force this way... just decreasing balance when losing com
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Using a thread to ask a related question: Here's a scenario: I've got no commander, 2 storages, 600 metal and an ally. One of the storages is destroyed. What happens? a) 300 metal is lost b) 100 metal is overflowing and get shared with the ally c) 500 metal is lost d) 100 metal is lost e) ???
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[Spoiler]by that sprung means "b", 100 metal overflows and is shared to allies.
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Unless you also have no teammates, or those teammates don't have storages.
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those teammates don't have storages. |
which is the default case edit:ok not true, but often whole team is overflowing then
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there is a point to decide when u lose a com early. rebuilding my eco and get up myself again or just give my units my team... first choice is being nerfed/ second is being pushed by storage been added to the initial coms. because u have no storage, probably no eco, and just overflow, this effect is very hard when u have no e income anymore u cant even get urself a storage quickly just wanted to mention i dont like the decision of adding the storage to the coms cause it rewards resigning
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this makes the game even more about blind rps com-snipe rushes. which tend to hit noobs harder than good players. but it also promotes to let low-elo allies die early, so that their resources overflow to you. so i guess one should not kill enemy noobs TOO early, as not to give more resources to the stronger enemy players. maybe that balances it?
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My Aeonios-type rant [Spoiler]
Worst idea ever. Ideas like these do tend to make people quit. Imagine your a newb, and you see "let lower elo players die first to let them overflow to you". This is not what you want to hear, and gives an impression people don't care here. However, what you say is noob
Which newbs do not want to get portrayed as.
noob and Newb [Spoiler]
Noobs get attacked first since lower level won't generally attack those higher than them, unless they are looking for a fight/fac scales up nicely so they look for those lower. But yes, you are right in the fact it overflows to you, but killing noob=killing mex. Which is kind of not what you want..
People that are on the same level will avoid fighting newbs, since they may just be worse than the skilled opponent they are fighting. Which is just causing unnecessary attrition, something all good players don't want. However newbs do become useful, we call it "learning", which is being patient and not screaming at them (indirect finger pointing),so one day they become good players. Everyone starts of as a newb. But noobs are different.
What annoying problem is the fact build speed is lowered once you lose storage, which stops me from having all neutral priority and workers building everywhere.
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Build speed isn't lowered when you lose storage, unless you count the resource loss when waiting between constructions.
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