Should the Funnelweb be a constructor?

Then there will be a combination with another constructor, for example with Weaver

personally, I enjoy funnelweb as a constructor, it adds more strategy as well, I only dislike defense in team games when somebody is spamming defense and storages in the back, defense isn't even the slightest op, In my experience ive never even seen funnelweb being used to spam defenses at all

dyth68

I wouldn't mind if it could only repair, but I imagine that should look distinct.

Funnelweb is terribly cost-inefficient as a builder, both in terms of build power and durability. Funnelwebs are only worth building for the shield. You only need 6 weavers to equate the build power and health of a Funnelweb.

Alcur

first I would like to now your recent game experience with Funnel+

```
Title: [A] Teams All Welcome
Host: Nobody
Game version: Zero-K v1.7.9.5
Engine version: 104.0.1-1398-g7442945
Started: 7 months ago
Duration: 15 minutes
Players: 17
Bots: False
Mission: False
```

That was your last game, better please tell us your recent SMURF account

second.
Who would build a walking shield for 3500 without drones?

It should be returned to old funnel model with drones. At least something which can break stalemate in game without building supwep. This new funnel is only lobster trap, porc defender and energy sucker. In field mostly useless ar support unit.

quote: The old drone Funnelweb couldn't break porc as it was very cost effectively shut down by ground AA (you need a tenth of the value of Funnelweb to shut down its attack).

2 old funnel (before drone nerf) could kill detris with no looses.
One funnel (drone nerfed) was weak. Power starts when player got more then three of them.
Funnel was removed because everybody know that if player get critical mass of them then almost nobody could stop them ecept few strategies who lubsters doesn't even bother to learn even if they aren't Egyptian hieroglyphs. 'Balance issues', OP, OP, OP. So devs created even larger shit - mega builder/repaier with big shield.

quote: The new Funnelweb is used very badly by 90% of players. They often try using it to defend porc, but this is something it's really really bad at due to the lack of shield regen under arti fire.

90% players even don't try defend porc but their funnels just walk with them around and reclaim stuff and be useless in field situation because shields depletes from all attacks and eat great energy when recharging. Most funnels walk alone and are killed by ultis. Of course this players doesn't use reclaim for something good but just spam more funnels.
Some players use funnel correctly - shield their antis and precious stuff as funnel can stop one stun missile. Only few using it for repair and most only know how to reclaim and waste reclaim in more funnels.
This unit is 90% shit and lubstertrap and nothing more. Lubster with old funnel was more useful then with new one. At least drones could fly and kill something but now u got big reclaim funnel with shield who eat so much energy and is useless in 90%. This slow shit is 90% useless as escort for striders because striders die from old age until reach enemy line or shields will be 0. One ultis can clear them out with one shoot.
Lets be honest - good player almost don't build funnels. If they build they don't know what to do. Its great troll stuff but nothing more. And even more annoying then old one because this is more useless for own team then previous nerfed drone version. I have never seen effective strategy with funnels except shielding precious stuff like antis or singus. Even welder porcpush is more efficient then this useless spider. Dis big shield is worthless 99% cases in field and great taker of energy which could be spend for cornea/iris or metal extractor overdrive.

quote: Funnelweb campaign mission).

Ye right - build xx storage to get metal reserves and later get crushed again enemy units.
Right, in teams we play against only dumb AI who doesn't know how to counter stuff.

Nah i better invest in two merlins then two funnels. Its 3k metal not 1k.

Senaven : Huh, you're the first person I've encountered who insists that Funnelwebs are useless.
Are Sigero, Anarchid, izirayd or dyth68 not "good players" in your book?

funnelweb with drones was just a bad design. either useless, op or just annoying.
bad thing with new funnel was that it came to the pork-rules-teamgames-era of the game, i think this is over now?

almost all units in this game ecxel in one or two things and suck otherwise. striders are pretty extreme in this regard.

quote: bad thing with new funnel was that it came to the pork-rules-teamgames-era of the game, i think this is over now?

Now that you mention it, it might be. I haven't seen huge porc castles in my last few lobsterpots. The nerfs to terraforming seem to have been effective.

Arguments in the form of "X is not impossible to counter in isolation so its not OP" are silly. A decent player covers for the vulnerabilities of their OP unit.