Jumpers are bad for High-Level-Games

In Team-Games, Jumpers are really really oppressive. Maybe they are not that strong in 1v1, but in teams, they are incredibly annoying to play against.
Pyro makes raiding nearly impossible because you always risk losing all your units even if you make cost. For example: The fire just touches a bandit for a glimpse of a second and the bandit burns to death.
Firewalker kills all skirms including badger, it makes the pathing of your enemy a total nightmare, it decloaks stuff. Moderators are really complicated to deal with as well. Puppies can eat reclaim to deny it and are hard to approach as well. I just think this is a badly designed factory with nearly all units occupying multipe roles. The only decent units design-wise are skuttle and jack.

https://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/1175347

https://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/1175364

https://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/1175371

https://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/1175386

(Yes, you can see me suck with jumpers in those games as well, but I simply never played them and need to learn how to use them.)

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I never felt they were an issue for other 'high-level-games'.

I watched two replays, both were mirror matches...

Seems to me you are externalizing your own issues and problems with the factory.

since skuttle cloak nerf it feels almost useless cuz it often gets shot down midair

I agree. Buff skittle.

Firewalker counters all light units
Placeholder counters tanks,lv
pyro counters all raiders except blitz
Sumo counters spider fac
jack counters porc and everything else paladins scorpions goliaths like everything if it can get close
its constructors can kill fleas as well

one factory that can hardcounter so many other factories so well seems bad

Like i find JJ hard to use but in teams where they can do mostly support they are just too good for that role.
you ally is facing tanks? send 2 placeholders
your ally is facing cloaky send 1 firewalker
your ally is facing spiders a firewalker and maybe a sumo if they have crabe

the only problem is lance since it counters mostly everything JJ can make

If you have the right strategy and enough knowledge of the facs and units, every situation can be exploited to your own advantage.

I understood the game that way; that if you know the macro, it does help a lot to gain some micro, while it's not too important, although it's helping - and then get a lot of knowledge about the facs/units. How to counter what and be creative with exploiting.

And for me as lob, this is my biggest weakness: I don't know enough to react fast enough (not even manually, but also in my head: How to counter react) and my exploits are kinda buggy.

TLTR: Jumpers have advantages, which others facs don't and vice versa. No drama. All fine.

All about training ... and this is the thing: Youtube videos from Godde and Shadowfury333 do help a lot. But those are limited. So it would be really useful to have an filter option in the replay list (or better a replay list for all games, not for certain players), where you can filter according to more parameters. Like 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 etc. also which was the starting fac of at least one participant.

Eg. you want to know more about jumpers: Search for 3v3, jumpers, some random top player and see what you get. There you are, being able to have a beer/coffee and a relaxed game analysis.

Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.

A big shieldball with lots of racketeers has little to fear from JJ.

Skuttle sucks.

But otherwise katastrophe is right. JJ does everything well.

quote: Placeholder counters tanks

Despite shifts in balance over many years I believe it has been consistently true that Jumpfac has had a strong matchup against Tankfac. Whether that is an indictment of Jumpfac, or whether it reflects the inherent difficulty of balancing the matchups of a factory whose cheapest unit costs 175 metal, I am not sure.

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