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yuvyuv

7 months ago

and by a moderator using his discord "mmaackey" and not even saying his a moderator .... isoneguy was having his crazy self talking fit in chat like he has every day for a long time ....... another player was replaying to him ... feeding his mental illness , and i wrote to him that as funny as i find this , maybe he should not feed his mental illness like that ............. they both together filled up 90% of the chat , after they fill up entire chat ,,,, and i want to help that guy with mental illness... and wrote only a few comments ... i get banned for 48 hours .... feels not only unfair but super out of place and strange cause there was 0 reason to do that

I wrote just a few lines while there were several other players writing much more than me

I was not trolling

I was if anything tryring to help another person (And i didnt even tell the guy that was joking with him his wrong or anything , i just offered my opinion and was not even saying it as if im sure of it - so i didnt even demand the other guy to stop !)

So im not sure there should be mod intervention at this (not sure if there should or should not be) but if there are many people each writing more than me .... and one writing crazy talk ,,, and the other feeding him .... and me just injecting thoughts in a few lines .... than an unidtified discord user says "yuvyuv, isoneguy: both of you stop" than a few seconds later after writing why i should stop and "did you even read chat macckey ?" i get 48 hour muted (As a player that plays a lot daily) seems not only unfair but just very very strange

+2 / -3

yuvyuv

7 months ago

Not to mention isoneguy is being doing this daily for long time with no action

So just to be clear not just one thing

its the fact the moderator isnt even identified as a moderator

its the fast harsh out of place action

its ignoring actual people who wrote much more in the chat

its ignoring the guy feeding the rambling

its lack of explanation

feels like a power trip

+0 / -1

Galamesh

7 months ago

+1 / -1

maackey

7 months ago

Isoneguy was spamming the chat with nonsense. My initial impression of your statements were that you were making light of someone else's mental illnesses.

I asked you both to stop.

quote:
I wrote just a few lines

Let's look at those, shall we? the full contiguous block (not just cherry picked statements out of context)

<yuvyuv> but here nirtalock plays alone with him and his crazy talk
<yuvyuv> and he suddenly replays
<isoneguy> thats abuse
<yuvyuv> and it isi hillarious i must say
<isoneguy> ...i asked you not to abuse that position

maackey
yuvyuv, isoneguy: both of you, stop

I apologize that I am not as active as I once was, and it might not have been apparent my status. I am however glad you found my response speedy, because the current admin tools do not make it feel so. I wanted to nip the situation in the bud, as it seemed like you might continue making fun of / mocking / laughing at others from your responses. And since the process to mute someone isn't an easy click of a button, my explanation might have been a bit terse as I needed to address isoneguy as well.

Both of you ignored the warning to stop, and both of you were muted. Hopefully this is a much clearer explanation of the situation.

+4 / -1

yuvyuv

7 months ago

"you might continue making fun of / mocking / laughing at others from your responses" ....

The person actually mocking isoneguy you completely ignored !!

Not to mention you just copy pasted part of the talk and didnt write lit the next line i wrote which i cant see now but was something like :

.... its hilarious (saying it to the person encourgaing isoenguy so he undersetands that its not that i dont think what he does is funny that i "get" it but what i say is despite it being funny) ... BUT not good cause it encourages his delusions !

(also take into account that i tried to talk to isoenguy for a few times in past and he never seems to be reading not just my comments but anyones (Except the guy who actaully played along with his craziness)

in the past i wrote something similar to another one who was actually mocking isoenguy

Its like you would walk into a conversation where someone mocks another person with mental issue and you would stop someone else who would intervene and try to convince the other person to stop

From warning to stop passed a minute i guess you were in discord didnt even identify as a moderator ... and the person who actully mocked him you kept and you didnt say a word to him ...

I am the only person i seen in chat ever worrying about isoenguy and only one who ever remarked when someoen else encourages his craziness .... than you come along and from unidentified user give a warning to me from all people , and i dont remember ever seeing your user in a game even as a moderator so you pop out of nowhere as some random person telling me to stop when im actaully trying to help a situation , completely ignore people who actually mock him , you are like a police person coming and beating up arresting a civilian who is holding a criminal down , while the criminal gets away

+0 / -0

yuvyuv

7 months ago

And if that is not clear. ... You should put entire chat here

SO everyone can see entire chat :

1 . see Everything that i wrote

2 . see everything other people wrote

3 . see the time stamps things were written at

4 . see the many replays before and after what i wrote and what i wrote in context

(including understanding isoenguy never wrote a single replay relating to me)

+0 / -0

yuvyuv

7 months ago

If you actually read the chat - it should have been very clear im not the one mocking isoenguy at all .... thats why i wrote to you "did you even read the chat ?" and i wonder if that pissed you off and was the real reason for the mute , cause you completely ignored the person mocking and muted the person actually trying to help

+0 / -0

yuvyuv

7 months ago

sadly i cant edit posts here but i re read your comment just to see i didnt miss anything and i read

" (not just cherry picked statements out of context)"

which i find very hypocritical casue you were the one who cherry picked

first anyone who dont know isoenguy replays in the long run , the abuse comment was not meant for me at all

and second you didnt post my "but its not good you go with his delusions" (dont remember exact phrasing) i wrote to the other guy

Its like you took someone saying his "not guilty" and you ignored the "not" and said he said his guilty part in order to punish him ... while ignoring another person saying his guilty

+0 / -0

yuvyuv

7 months ago

Also for the record , big chance (As far as i manage to undersrtand isoenguy writing patteren) the abuse comment isoenguy wrote about abuse were actually aimed for you maackey !

(and tops to that other player ... but not cause isoenguy thought he was mocking him but cause of the fake story that he built about him)

(shame i see people giving me dislikes when they have noo idea what the actual chat was like and context)

+0 / -0

yuvyuv

7 months ago

I looked for chat in logs

again i wrote before in past when i seen someone mock him that maybe its best he wont do it , this what i did this time

If you look at the time stamp all i wrote was in a single !! 1 minute !! so to take a single comment i wrote and take it out of context

And not only that now looking at chat i started it all way before by writing this :

"its funny for m e but isnt this just feeding to his mental illness ?"

after that a different player Y wrote (third player) :

"yuvyuv"
"idfk whats going on"

all this time iseonguy is on his usual unrelated to nothing rant , and the other player X mocking it)

to that i replied :

"isoneguy talking to himself "
"and has some mental probelm"
"he never replays to people"

between this the X player keeps runing isoenguy crazy scnerio "that's 3 goats stacked on each other instead"

and im writing to Y this comments (this is another part of the contxet (not all of it))

"but here X plays alone with him and his crazy talk"
"and he suddenly replays"

than isoenguy write : "thats abuse" .... meaning its abuse to stack 3 goats on top of each other !!!!! (not that yuvyuv abused him ---- context ! )

so checking on chat log the reality is from the two options i wrote he didnt write it to maackey but he did write it to the other option which i wrote "tops to that other player ... but not cause isoenguy thought he was mocking him but cause of the fake story that he built about him"

than i wrote "and it isi hillarious i must say" and what you convinently didnt post macckey "but still its like feeding his delusions" ................... and all this comments were in the same minute (thats why time stamp matters)

not to mention another player writing before you muted me : "dont silence yuvyuv" and "yuvyuv did nothing wrong" . ..... yet you didnt even wait no time to even try to understand or ask or read read chat .... especially after writing to you if you even read chat

to top it off if you see full chat , and i know i wrote a lot of posts here ( its cause i cant edit previous posts) you also see all this time how i didnt even post most comments in chat at all , so its not even you can say i spammed the chat as a reason to mute me there

+0 / -0

yuvyuv

7 months ago

before going to sleep and maybe forgetting will emphasis : i started this all with this comment that mmaackey ignored : "its funny for m e but isnt this just feeding to his mental illness ?"

and i wrote this to X player who was playing along with isoneguy story in trying to convinice him that maybe its not good to go alone with his story

and most of my other comments were replays for question asked i didnt write "isoneguy talking to himself" as a mock replay to isoenguy and it was with intent to help one player understand the situation and also to try to figure out how to help isoenguy and maybe convincing other player it might not be best to play with delusions

+0 / -0

maackey

7 months ago

I prolly shouldn't waste my time. But transparency is good, and I wanted to be clear. So here's an even larger snippet, and some super secret insider moderator thoughts on the situation.

Niarteloc: playing both sides is how you guarantee victory
<isoneguy> its called abuse...
<isoneguy> why are you on both teams already
<isoneguy> you havent kept your promises
Niarteloc: I already told you why
<yuvyuv> its funny for m e but isnt this just feeding to his mental illness ?

quote:
context: what exactly is funny here? mental illness? people talking to the mentally ill?

<isoneguy> you lied

quote:
context: a response to a previous conversation with Niarteloc

<TheFlyingFortress> yuvyuv
<TheFlyingFortress> idfk whats going on
Niarteloc: nonsense, I told the truth about my position
<yuvyuv> isoneguy talking to himself

quote:
context: isoneguy is not talking to himself, but to Niarteloc

<isoneguy> you lied multiple times in this exact conversation
Niarteloc: yuvyuv it's hard to tell
<isoneguy> what color is the trenchcoat you wear
<yuvyuv> and has some mental probelm

quote:
context: the second instance of you explicitly stating someone has mental issues

<yuvyuv> he never replays to people

quote:
context: another falsehood, a counterexample present just prior and immediately after as well

Niarteloc: trick question I'm not wearing the trenchcoat
<isoneguy> ...xd

quote:
context: an immediate counterexample; a "reply" to a person -- smiling at Niarteloc's joke about his trenchcoat

Niarteloc: that's 3 goats stacked on each other instead
<yuvyuv> but here nirtalock plays alone with him and his crazy talk

quote:
context: this is the 3rd time in quick succession you have insinuated isoneguy has a mental illness. It is here where it really starts to seem derogatory in nature.

<yuvyuv> and he suddenly replays
<isoneguy> thats abuse
<yuvyuv> and it isi hillarious i must say

quote:
context: so you keep harping on someone's mental state several times, and then for the second time now, you want everyone to know you find it funny. Why is this so important that you share that this is funny to you? Do you want other people to laugh at isoneguy as well?

<isoneguy> ...i asked you not to abuse that position
maackey: yuvyuv, isoneguy: both of you, stop

quote:
context: I was starting to feel your comments about someone else's mental statements were getting derogatory, as you were repeatedly mentioning them. I felt a quick verbal warning was appropriate, both to you and isoneguy (who has a history of spamming nonsense in chat).

<yuvyuv> but still its like feeding his delusions

quote:
context: another insinuation that he is now delusional. Even if you are a clinical psychologist, a diagnosis without ever seeing the patient is quite inappropriate

<isoneguy> stop sending guys to do a females job...
<yuvyuv> wth macckey ????
<yuvyuv> why should i stop ?

quote:
context: you yourself were just now suggesting Niarteloc should not be talking to isoneguy.

Niarteloc: I mean it would be nice if there was a way to coax isoneguy into offtopic

quote:
You were complaining I did nothing about Niarteloc, but his next statement reinforced the lack of need to warn him, as even without a direct warning, he identified that his conversation with isoneguy might be better suited to a different channel

<yuvyuv> did you even read chat macckey ?

quote:
context: i did read chat, but I realize this is meant to be an inflammatory and rhetorical statement. The mute wasn't an emotionally headed response to this, but rather a result of all the above reasons. If you hadn't responded with three defiant questions in a row there'd have been no reason to escalate to a mute at all. But like I mentioned -- this gave me reason to believe you would continue asserting that others are mentally ill, or do something else silly like break coc rule 5 and start a forum thread on "why was I banned"

<isoneguy> there ISNT an offtopic
<TheFlyingFortress> there is

+2 / -1

yuvyuv

7 months ago

WTH i just post the entire thing (didnt want to write names but i seen that maccky already wrote the name in his post) , people can read themselves , do note time stamps , and do note that isoneguy replayed from before what i paste below (and i did not write before the part i pasted) and that i dont write much at all in the chat and that i tried to help from before (So for me whats happening is like arresting a person throwing water on a fire) ---

Soo all who read note time stamps (cause basically i have a habit of writing a few short comments instead of one long one - which means when i wrote and it isi hillarious i must say ... but still its like feeding his delusions are all for me one single replay , and its all made with maybe 5 seconds time diff between them ... and note that i had no idea who maackey was (and his discord so know way knowing his a mod for me back than)

so here is full chat :

2024-04-07T19:52:25 - [22:52] isoneguy: do you have a tattoo on your hand
2024-04-07T19:52:30 - [22:52] isoneguy: i'm not your friend
2024-04-07T19:52:34 - [22:52] isoneguy: they added wood already
2024-04-07T19:52:45 - [22:52] stiofan.ceo.of.obamium: He's come to tell you that you elo is in fact accurate TFF!!!!
2024-04-07T19:52:54 - [22:52] TheFlyingFortress: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
2024-04-07T19:52:59 - [22:52] isoneguy: okay wheres my 30 thousand
2024-04-07T19:53:07 - [22:53] TheFlyingFortress: my dreams shattered, emotional damage
2024-04-07T19:53:08 - [22:53] niarteloc: isoneguy I have 2500 elo for you
2024-04-07T19:53:15 - [22:53] niarteloc: but only when the tattoo is made of wood
2024-04-07T19:53:16 - [22:53] isoneguy: nelanch 2550
2024-04-07T19:53:28 - [22:53] niarteloc: 2525 or no deal
2024-04-07T19:53:39 - [22:53] isoneguy: 0 or no fuzzy ion
2024-04-07T19:53:45 - [22:53] niarteloc: done
2024-04-07T19:53:49 - [22:53] isoneguy: those kids were abused
2024-04-07T19:53:54 - [22:53] niarteloc: you get zero I get the fuzzy ion
2024-04-07T19:54:09 - [22:54] isoneguy: i already bought them, nobody gets the fuzzy ion
2024-04-07T19:54:13 - [22:54] niarteloc: what
2024-04-07T19:54:18 - [22:54] niarteloc: that's theft and another thing
2024-04-07T19:54:20 - [22:54] isoneguy: not until you pay like 2 trillion in a bounty
2024-04-07T19:54:26 - [22:54] isoneguy: then answer to your brute squad
2024-04-07T19:54:33 - [22:54] reimj: Here's a YT idea: make videos of you watching your replays and verbally reviewing them to explain what you / opponent / teammates were doing. A replay journal.
2024-04-07T19:54:38 - [22:54] isoneguy: i already vomited
2024-04-07T19:54:42 - [22:54] niarteloc: I'll set a bounty for 2 trillion crypto
2024-04-07T19:54:48 - [22:54] isoneguy: i dont know you
2024-04-07T19:54:52 - [22:54] niarteloc: but it's only unlocked when you figure out the passcode
2024-04-07T19:55:02 - [22:55] isoneguy: they already failed to do that one
2024-04-07T19:55:06 - [22:55] isoneguy: ...extremely sadd
2024-04-07T19:55:15 - [22:55] niarteloc: yep, so much crypto lost to bitrot
2024-04-07T19:55:19 - [22:55] isoneguy: your on both teams already
2024-04-07T19:55:21 - [22:55] lob9215: This is like reading a roller coaster
2024-04-07T19:55:33 - [22:55] niarteloc: playing both sides is how you guarantee victory
2024-04-07T19:55:39 - [22:55] isoneguy: its called abuse...
2024-04-07T19:55:45 - [22:55] isoneguy: why are you on both teams already
2024-04-07T19:55:49 - [22:55] isoneguy: you havent kept your promises
2024-04-07T19:55:55 - [22:55] niarteloc: I already told you why
2024-04-07T19:55:57 - [22:55] yuvyuv: its funny for m e but isnt this just feeding to his mental illness ?
2024-04-07T19:56:02 - [22:56] isoneguy: you lied
2024-04-07T19:56:09 - [22:56] TheFlyingFortress: yuvyuv
2024-04-07T19:56:13 - [22:56] TheFlyingFortress: idfk whats going on
2024-04-07T19:56:15 - [22:56] niarteloc: nonsense, I told the truth about my position
2024-04-07T19:56:21 - [22:56] yuvyuv: isoneguy talking to himself
2024-04-07T19:56:24 - [22:56] isoneguy: you lied multiple times in this exact conversation
2024-04-07T19:56:24 - [22:56] niarteloc: yuvyuv it's hard to tell
2024-04-07T19:56:31 - [22:56] isoneguy: what color is the trenchcoat you wear
2024-04-07T19:56:32 - [22:56] yuvyuv: and has some mental probelm
2024-04-07T19:56:36 - [22:56] yuvyuv: he never replays to people
2024-04-07T19:56:44 - [22:56] niarteloc: trick question I'm not wearing the trenchcoat
2024-04-07T19:56:50 - [22:56] isoneguy: ...xd
2024-04-07T19:56:53 - [22:56] niarteloc: that's 3 goats stacked on each other instead
2024-04-07T19:56:56 - [22:56] yuvyuv: but here nirtalock plays alone with him and his crazy talk
2024-04-07T19:57:01 - [22:57] yuvyuv: and he suddenly replays
2024-04-07T19:57:03 - [22:57] isoneguy: thats abuse
2024-04-07T19:57:09 - [22:57] yuvyuv: and it isi hillarious i must say
2024-04-07T19:57:10 - [22:57] isoneguy: ...i asked you not to abuse that position
2024-04-07T19:57:22 - [22:57] maackey: yuvyuv, isoneguy: both of you, stop
2024-04-07T19:57:25 - [22:57] skyevolt: Oooohhh that would be awesome
2024-04-07T19:57:26 - [22:57] yuvyuv: but still its like feeding his delusions
2024-04-07T19:57:27 - [22:57] isoneguy: stop sending guys to do a females job...
2024-04-07T19:57:32 - [22:57] yuvyuv: wth macckey ????
2024-04-07T19:57:32 - [22:57] skyevolt: ty ty I'll put a pin on it
2024-04-07T19:57:36 - [22:57] skyevolt: yo what the heck?
2024-04-07T19:57:40 - [22:57] yuvyuv: why should i stop ?
2024-04-07T19:57:41 - [22:57] niarteloc: I mean it would be nice if there was a way to coax isoneguy into offtopic
2024-04-07T19:57:42 - [22:57] skyevolt: https://tenor.com/view/meme-horrors-beyond-our-comprehension-low-tier-god-mods-banned-gif-8530537273735940092
2024-04-07T19:57:47 - [22:57] yuvyuv: did you even read chat macckey ?
2024-04-07T19:57:51 - [22:57] isoneguy: there ISNT an offtopic
2024-04-07T19:57:55 - [22:57] TheFlyingFortress: there is
2024-04-07T19:57:57 - [22:57] skyevolt: maackey please silence this guy, he's done this like 5 times now he has WELL more than enough warnings
2024-04-07T19:58:03 - [22:58] isoneguy: there is only how your an outside source to this conversation
2024-04-07T19:58:07 - [22:58] TheFlyingFortress: silence isoneguy
2024-04-07T19:58:08 - [22:58] isoneguy: and I have proof of mod abuse
2024-04-07T19:58:12 - [22:58] niarteloc: wait what?
2024-04-07T19:58:16 - [22:58] isoneguy: and then they returned abusing their ability again
2024-04-07T19:58:20 - [22:58] TheFlyingFortress: dont silence yuvyuv
2024-04-07T19:58:23 - [22:58] isoneguy: while making people feel uncomfortable
2024-04-07T19:58:24 - [22:58] TheFlyingFortress: yuvyuv did nothing wrong
2024-04-07T19:58:32 - [22:58] niarteloc: did I miss some context
2024-04-07T19:58:37 - [22:58] yuvyuv: yes wth maccky did you even read the chat ?
2024-04-07T19:58:39 - [22:58] isoneguy: so as the youngest person on this team
2024-04-07T19:58:43 - [22:58] isoneguy: its not a team already
2024-04-07T19:58:57 - [22:58] yuvyuv: whats his player name of maackey ?
2024-04-07T19:59:17 - [22:59] TheFlyingFortress: maackey
2024-04-07T19:59:18 - [22:59] isoneguy: you lied about fuzzy ion...
2024-04-07T19:59:20 - [22:59] TheFlyingFortress: i believe
2024-04-07T19:59:27 - [22:59] isoneguy: i can see the match right there...
2024-04-07T19:59:54 - [22:59] niarteloc: maackey is a moderator, I assume he is speak with mod-hat on
2024-04-07T20:00:01 - [23:00] isoneguy: blablabla
2024-04-07T20:00:10 - [23:00] isoneguy: maybe you should focus on the actual problem
2024-04-07T20:00:54 - [23:00] TheFlyingFortress: My brother
2024-04-07T20:01:03 - [23:01] TheFlyingFortress: youve been told not to shitpost in ZK#
2024-04-07T20:01:06 - [23:01] TheFlyingFortress: isoneguy
2024-04-07T20:01:21 - [23:01] vorpalkitty: <:y_Disappoint:694451126061498371> you are not one to talk
2024-04-07T20:01:28 - [23:01] niarteloc: facts
2024-04-07T20:01:49 - [23:01] TheFlyingFortress: I never said i was a great courier of this message
2024-04-07T20:01:52 - [23:01] niarteloc: TFF knows how to get to <#296254538363568130> where he can shitpoast
2024-04-07T20:01:52 - [23:01] lob9215: Tbh zk off topic should be the default
2024-04-07T20:01:58 - [23:01] TheFlyingFortress: wow i cant even state the obvious
2024-04-07T20:07:01 - [23:07] maackey: for the record, yuvyuv: I did read the chat. that is why I asked both of you to stop.
2024-04-07T20:07:34 - [23:07] skigear: isoneguy click the plus button next to the chat tabs and type in off-topic 😁
2024-04-07T20:12:33 - [23:12] mojjj: isoneguy stop reporting me for no reason
2024-04-07T20:17:04 - [23:17] cemahseri: isoneguy's mute duration reduced by 1 day
2024-04-07T20:17:08 - [23:17] cemahseri: it was 2 days and now it's 1 day

+0 / -0

yuvyuv

7 months ago

And after writing the replay above i just see your replay (which was posted in the meantime) ---- which is again very miselading and dishonest ! and i started to write a very long explanation but it seems its above my ability cause i see i got dislikes from players
and issues like this can be easily manipulated , especially when people have no context

Bottom line is i tried to help isoneguy and not starting from now , and when you see this in full context its very clear - cause people who know and read the chat daily know isoneguy writes random stuff with different story every few lines tops , and that he never replays to people , even when you write his name , and this was a rare case where he replayed , and he doesnt really replay to stuff its just cause niarteloc repeated phrases he said he went along (like if you talk to mentally ill person in the street repeating the word "tree" and a teen would come to him and mock him tree and that person would say "yess tree tree , i killed a rabbit, the bricks are in the roof , of a dragon" but if that teen would say any other word that mentally ill person would ignore him) but i did write that isoneguy replied to niarteloc but to TFF who asked me whats going on i said basically "its isoneguy usual talking to self" so who he understand casue he comments in chat a lot so he knows isoneguy rants i believe , and i informed him that in this rare case he actaully somewhat replays to niarteloc which was surprising to me , but than i repeated what i wrote that while its funny i think its encourging isoneguy delusion .... but you mmckay are nitpiciking in a reality distorting way in order to justify your unjustifiacle mute , which i see as very dishoenst

but even in the short context of the text i posted your mute was unjustified - but it seems i cant really explain myself here in a way that will be convincing enough in this media so i give up , i think i was more than ok and i think your behavior mmackay was wrong , including the way you try to distort things here , but i dont see how i can explain it in a way people understand this , posted the full chat but it seems no matter what i will write you will just look at ways to present it as if you were not at the wrong , so it does seem pointless to keep writing more

+1 / -0

yuvyuv

7 months ago

(I had put just part of the chat but above what i wrote nirtalock didnt replay as far as i know and it was just isoneguy talking to himself unrelated to what anyone else has written - so again the more context you add even more chat lines than what i wrote just further strengthens the points i wrote in my posts above)

+0 / -0

SmokeDragon

7 months ago
(edited 7 months ago)

good morning everyone =)

seems like everything is normal so far today

+6 / -0

Flimsy

7 months ago

So the main issue was you were repeatedly giving someone a diagnosis for mental illness while not being a licensed psychiatrist nor were you seeing him in person to come to a diagnosis. And even if you were, giving him a diagnosis you are ofc by law not allowed to share it with the public. Good we have cleared things up. Happy gaming everyone!

+0 / -0

Aquanim

7 months ago
(edited 7 months ago)

Locked and moved to Asylum by request.

As a personal comment, I haven't read all the details in this thread but this seems like the kind of incident which is best to just move on from.

+1 / -0

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