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I got reported and warned by suicide "intentionally".
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I got reported and warned by suicide "intentionally".
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This game in 2017-99-17:
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This game in 2017-99-17:
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http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/469400?
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http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/469400?
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, I suicide my commander because I was bring to game automatic when I forgot to switch from "Playing" to "Spectate" button when I joined room, since I don't play, I want to make both team balanced. So another team will get metal reclaim.
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, I suicide my commander because I was bring to game automatic when I forgot to switch from "Playing" to "Spectate" button when I joined room, since I don't play, I want to make both team balanced. So another team will get metal reclaim.
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After this, I get This message :
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After this, I get This message :
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[quote]Your
account
has
received
moderator
action:
Don't
suicide
intentionally.
You
are
free
to
leave
the
game
at
any
time.
http://zero-k.
info/Battles/Detail/469400
(
This
is
a
warning)
[\quote]
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[quote]Your
account
has
received
moderator
action:
Don't
suicide
intentionally.
You
are
free
to
leave
the
game
at
any
time.
http://zero-k.
info/Battles/Detail/469400
(
This
is
a
warning)
[/quote]
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I can not understand why even this kind of judgement is possible, I have told my intention this was "for team balance". Unfortunately, someone still reported this (Firepluk had said "reported" while in that moment) and it even works ...
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I can not understand why even this kind of judgement is possible, I have told my intention this was "for team balance". Unfortunately, someone still reported this (Firepluk had said "reported" while in that moment) and it even works ...
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Then I was curious about is there any rules in lobby I have to obey?
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Then I was curious about is there any rules in lobby I have to obey?
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I went check Zero-K Code of Conduct and I think only "rules" I violated was "3. Cooperate With Your Team":
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I went check Zero-K Code of Conduct and I think only "rules" I violated was "3. Cooperate With Your Team":
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http://zero-k.info/mediawiki/index.php?title=Zero-K:Code_of_Conduct
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http://zero-k.info/mediawiki/index.php?title=Zero-K:Code_of_Conduct
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In this not too long page of COC, I immediately see PROBLEMS, when inspecting this with my current knowledge, value, thought, I get my conclusion:
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In this not too long page of COC, I immediately see PROBLEMS, when inspecting this with my current knowledge, value, thought, I get my conclusion:
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ThIS COC ONLY REFLECT IDEA of specific small portion of people who think the most important and only thing to care in game/match is to win, nothing else.
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ThIS COC ONLY REFLECT IDEA of specific small portion of people who think the most important and only thing to care in game/match is to win, nothing else.
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ThIS COC DO NOT REFLECT IDEA of all people how they think what a game/match should be, and and what the value of a game/match is, including purely fun, enjoying the building process like Simcity, playing with new idea, trying new tatics, trying more challenged way to win, doing exciting gambling, enjoy graphics and sounds, making friends, trolling (yes, even trolling) ...
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ThIS COC DO NOT REFLECT IDEA of all people how they think what a game/match should be, and and what the value of a game/match is, including purely fun, enjoying the building process like Simcity, playing with new idea, trying new tatics, trying more challenged way to win, doing exciting gambling, enjoy graphics and sounds, making friends, trolling (yes, even trolling) ...
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You are basically narrow down the thinking into how specific people who only have specific idea/view of what a game/match should be think, if you follow the "rules" in COD "3. Cooperate With Your Team".
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You are basically narrow down the thinking into how specific people who only have specific idea/view of what a game/match should be think, if you follow the "rules" in COD "3. Cooperate With Your Team".
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It narrow down the huge diversity of ways to play a game, and believe this is the only way we have to play a game/match. People don't follow these rules have potential to be warned or banned even their intention is good - just want to have fun, no matter for himself or bring it to others (when also respect others). As mentioned before, WINNING IS NOT THE ONLY GOAL in game/match, there should be much wider reason why people stay here and game/match together.
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It narrow down the huge diversity of ways to play a game, and believe this is the only way we have to play a game/match. People don't follow these rules have potential to be warned or banned even their intention is good - just want to have fun, no matter for himself or bring it to others (when also respect others). As mentioned before, WINNING IS NOT THE ONLY GOAL in game/match, there should be much wider reason why people stay here and game/match together.
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Now consider how a GAME MOD was createcd. It was started from some people found playing with "unnormal style" was fun, then thinking why we don't create a game mod ourselves? Then finally a new mod with differnt play style was borned, and game mod like Garry's mod, derived by Counter Strike was actually not too related to first person shooting, but still very enjoyable. If people are not allowed to think differently, there is no these mod today. Zero-K will be boring too if there is no such diverse way to win a game and only limited to use only few units or few tactics.
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Now consider how a GAME MOD was createcd. It was started from some people found playing with "unnormal style" was fun, then thinking why we don't create a game mod ourselves? Then finally a new mod with differnt play style was borned, and game mod like Garry's mod, derived by Counter Strike was actually not too related to first person shooting, but still very enjoyable. If people are not allowed to think differently, there is no these mod today. Zero-K will be boring too if there is no such diverse way to win a game and only limited to use only few units or few tactics.
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In another way, people consider winning is their only goal in this game/match, often don't happy/enjoiy the gaming actually, you can see this example all the time by observe many team games, spectators number in a room are more then players in many times, because gaming are probably too pressured and bring unhappy, exhausted for them. Also people tends to play with AI instead of human when there are only few people in room, many people don't like 1v1 or 2v2 they only play team games. All these happened because people don't like "losing".
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In another way, people consider winning is their only goal in this game/match, often don't happy/enjoiy the gaming actually, you can see this example all the time by observe many team games, spectators number in a room are more then players in many times, because gaming are probably too pressured and bring unhappy, exhausted for them. Also people tends to play with AI instead of human when there are only few people in room, many people don't like 1v1 or 2v2 they only play team games. All these happened because people don't like "losing".
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And I see problem in COC "5. Abide by Moderator Actions" too:
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And I see problem in COC "5. Abide by Moderator Actions" too:
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[quote]If
you
feel
a
moderator
has
acted
unfairly,
you
should
bring
it
up
through
the
'Contact
administrators'
button
on
your
user
home
page
.
.
.
Do
not
make
forum
threads
complaining
about
the
.
.
.
[\quote]
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[quote]If
you
feel
a
moderator
has
acted
unfairly,
you
should
bring
it
up
through
the
'Contact
administrators'
button
on
your
user
home
page
.
.
.
Do
not
make
forum
threads
complaining
about
the
.
.
.
[/quote]
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The reason I post this thread here because, if this is a robust community, it should not eleminate different opinion, viewpoint, no matter you dislike or don't agree, instead you leave a opening space for discussion, inspection, communication to make a consense eveyone agree and confortable, this not only eliminate argument in this case, but also bring good example for others who are viewing this case and forming more friendly community in the future.
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The reason I post this thread here because, if this is a robust community, it should not eleminate different opinion, viewpoint, no matter you dislike or don't agree, instead you leave a opening space for discussion, inspection, communication to make a consense eveyone agree and confortable, this not only eliminate argument in this case, but also bring good example for others who are viewing this case and forming more friendly community in the future.
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Peole don't always agree with each others but will at least respect different concepts, views, instead of making arguing the only option when seeing different stance of himself.
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Peole don't always agree with each others but will at least respect different concepts, views, instead of making arguing the only option when seeing different stance of himself.
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In a private moderation, this doesn't happened, why hide the fact and makes people can't obtain these kind of information?
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In a private moderation, this doesn't happened, why hide the fact and makes people can't obtain these kind of information?
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I don't agree with Firepluk and I don't have to, but this doesn't mean I can't have open mind to discuss different logic and views of what a game/match should be like all the time with him, the best way to eliminate argument is by communication, not by penalty, ban, these don't solve deeper problem and will probably cause more opposition and even causing members leave such a harsh community with such narrow mind.
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I don't agree with Firepluk and I don't have to, but this doesn't mean I can't have open mind to discuss different logic and views of what a game/match should be like all the time with him, the best way to eliminate argument is by communication, not by penalty, ban, these don't solve deeper problem and will probably cause more opposition and even causing members leave such a harsh community with such narrow mind.
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Since I joined Zero-K about a some time, I began to sniff out unusual atmosphere in this community, if you ask my opinion, I will tell you honestly this is a community with too many harsh people, blaming, flaming, ignoring, coldness.
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Since I joined Zero-K about a some time, I began to sniff out unusual atmosphere in this community, if you ask my opinion, I will tell you honestly this is a community with too many harsh people, blaming, flaming, ignoring, coldness.
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This is different compare to another game community, 0.A.D , the biggest different is "coldness", people acting coldness here, they play, they leave, they don't even talk in game, is this really a community you want to form?
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This is different compare to another game community, 0.A.D , the biggest different is "coldness", people acting coldness here, they play, they leave, they don't even talk in game, is this really a community you want to form?
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I think community is as important as the code itself, the code would not be too value when there is no good community using it, and I think this is the works people volunteering under are always doing too - bring more people here.
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I think community is as important as the code itself, the code would not be too value when there is no good community using it, and I think this is the works people volunteering under are always doing too - bring more people here.
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And if the main value of community think this is just few minor group of people thought, it actually eliminate the diverse opinion, gameplay, viewpoint of people in community, making only same people with that specific thinking will stay in community, others leave after frustration and go find other better place instead of Zero-K. A community which only accept one way of thinking or one way of playing, I don't see this is a good sign for a possitive community.
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And if the main value of community think this is just few minor group of people thought, it actually eliminate the diverse opinion, gameplay, viewpoint of people in community, making only same people with that specific thinking will stay in community, others leave after frustration and go find other better place instead of Zero-K. A community which only accept one way of thinking or one way of playing, I don't see this is a good sign for a possitive community.
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So the quesiton is? Is wining that important? If people don't support his team, so what? People can always create their private passworded room and invite people have same playing style they wish if they want.
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So the quesiton is? Is wining that important? If people don't support his team, so what? People can always create their private passworded room and invite people have same playing style they wish if they want.
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Winnig IS NOT the only goal in game/match. I got warned.