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[q]I also want admins to understand that sometimes(yes, sometimes) !poll kick and !poll resign is just a part of lobsterpot culture(but when used for this it should be very thoughtful and careful).
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[q]I also want admins to understand that sometimes(yes, sometimes) !poll kick and !poll resign is just a part of lobsterpot culture(but when used for this it should be very thoughtful and careful).
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It's like that sarcastic heckling you can get before a competitive sports match(saying you can't win/have no chance, meant to awake you and want you to prove wrong despite the outside influence).
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It's like that sarcastic heckling you can get before a competitive sports match(saying you can't win/have no chance, meant to awake you and want you to prove wrong despite the outside influence).
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Saying this I will make an accent it should not be abused. For example if I ever wanted to do a !poll kick just to heckle a bit I'd just do " !poll kick bla-bla because he is a lobster and we're going down"(note the space) - it does not create a poll, nor annoy much the player in question and usually I'd try not to repeat this during the match.
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Saying this I will make an accent it should not be abused. For example if I ever wanted to do a !poll kick just to heckle a bit I'd just do " !poll kick bla-bla because he is a lobster and we're going down"(note the space) - it does not create a poll, nor annoy much the player in question and usually I'd try not to repeat this during the match.
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I want to note it's okay(subjectively) if someone heckles a bit(it's not a police state is it),
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I want to note it's okay(subjectively) if someone heckles a bit(it's not a police state is it),
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question is - do not annoy others too much :)
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question is - do not annoy others too much :)
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I also think others can enjoy a bit of heckling - just don't go overboard with this crap ^^[/q]
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I also think others can enjoy a bit of heckling - just don't go overboard with this crap ^^[/q]
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If you think that you can convey tone, via text, so reliably that your attempts at sarcasm or good-natured heckling never come off as being an arse, then you are particularly unqualified to make such attempts in a public space. This is not face-to-face interaction. The rules have to be different.
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If you think that you can convey tone, via text, so reliably that your attempts at sarcasm or good-natured heckling never come off as being an arse, then you are particularly unqualified to make such attempts in a public space. This is not face-to-face interaction. The rules have to be different.
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When you talk about "lobsterpot culture" you are really talking about a subculture, those people that interact with you and follow your lead. You have no idea how the majority of players feel about your 'attempts at banter'. In a face-to-face sports game you:
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When you talk about "lobsterpot culture" you are really talking about a subculture, those people that interact with you and follow your lead. You have no idea how the majority of players feel about your 'attempts at banter'. In a face-to-face sports game you:
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* Have more familiarity and solidarity with your teammates.
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* Have more familiarity and solidarity with your teammates.
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* If your teammates dislike your behaviour they will eventually talk to you about it or kick you off the team. This matters because in competitive sport you play with the same team for many games.
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* If your teammates dislike your behaviour they will eventually talk to you about it or kick you off the team. This matters because in competitive sport you play with the same team for many games.
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* Can read the room and see the non-verbal social cues that tell you whether everyone around you is into the heckling or whether you have gone too far.
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* Can read the room and see the non-verbal social cues that tell you whether everyone around you is into the heckling or whether you have gone too far.
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None
of
these
release-valves
exist
on
the
internet.
Maybe
the
other
players
think
you're
doing
good-natured
banter.
Maybe
they
think
you're
ruining
the
game.
You
can't
tell
the
difference
because
most
of
the
time
they
will
be
completely
silent
on
the
matter.
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None
of
these
safeties
exist
on
the
internet.
Maybe
the
other
players
think
you're
doing
good-natured
banter.
Maybe
they
think
you're
ruining
the
game.
You
can't
tell
the
difference
because
most
of
the
time
they
will
be
completely
silent
on
the
matter.
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[q]" !poll kick bla-bla because he is a lobster and we're going down"(note the space) - it does not create a poll, [b]nor annoy much the player in question[/b] and usually I'd try not to repeat this during the match.[/q]
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[q]" !poll kick bla-bla because he is a lobster and we're going down"(note the space) - it does not create a poll, [b]nor annoy much the player in question[/b] and usually I'd try not to repeat this during the match.[/q]
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How do you even know this? Do you only kickvote people who you are sure sit within your banter subculture? Even if that were the case you should consider the effect it has on people who are not the target. To the uninitiated, you are saying that your teammate is so bad that they will lose the game for you, and you are a hair away from actually starting a poll to kick them. This invariably degrades the tone of the room. Now other toxic players feel more able to kick random newbies or people they happen to dislike.
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How do you even know this? Do you only kickvote people who you are sure sit within your banter subculture? Even if that were the case you should consider the effect it has on people who are not the target. To the uninitiated, you are saying that your teammate is so bad that they will lose the game for you, and you are a hair away from actually starting a poll to kick them. This invariably degrades the tone of the room. Now other toxic players feel more able to kick random newbies or people they happen to dislike.
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TL:DR: The argument that trolling is fine because similar things are fine in sport is complete BS that ignores the differences in communication and structure between face-to-face sport and a public game on the internet.
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TL:DR: The argument that trolling is fine because similar things are fine in sport is complete BS that ignores the differences in communication and structure between face-to-face sport and a public game on the internet.
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Why did DaKeys get banned?