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The summary is as follows.
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The summary is as follows.
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* There was a long discussion/argument in #balance about how to treat people with less experience who participate in balance discussions.
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* There was a long discussion/argument in #balance about how to treat people with less experience who participate in balance discussions.
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* @RiposteR wasn't in the bulk of the argument, but interjected sometimes in a way that put him on the side of "sometimes you have to be rude to people".
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* @RiposteR wasn't in the bulk of the argument, but interjected sometimes in a way that put him on the side of "sometimes you have to be rude to people".
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* The discussion had some poor takes and did not seem to end up anywhere. There were no moderators involved at this point.
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* The discussion had some poor takes and did not seem to end up anywhere. There were no moderators involved at this point.
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* Concerned with the ambiguity about whether bullying people is ok, @Aquanim came in at the end to comment "its possible to explain to somebody that their lack of (recent) experience could be making their opinion not useful without being sarcastic or mean about it", because that is the moderator position. Don't be rude to people.
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* Concerned with the ambiguity about whether bullying people is ok, @Aquanim came in at the end to comment "its possible to explain to somebody that their lack of (recent) experience could be making their opinion not useful without being sarcastic or mean about it", because that is the moderator position. Don't be rude to people.
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* This sparked a much more heated argument, with @RiposteR as a major player, but still with no moderators involved. @RiposteR took @Aquanim's statement to the extreme, saying things like it was sacrificing truth for virtue.
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* This sparked a much more heated argument, with @RiposteR as a major player, but still with no moderators involved. @RiposteR took @Aquanim's statement to the extreme, saying things like it was sacrificing truth for virtue.
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* @Aquanim returned at the end to make clear that @RiposteR was wrong; telling the truth does not excuse arbitrary meanness. Then said that the argument is over.
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* @Aquanim returned at the end to make clear that @RiposteR was wrong; telling the truth does not excuse arbitrary meanness. Then said that the argument is over.
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* @RiposteR continued trying to argue it, but also started prosecuting up how poorly treated he felt during the heated argument on whether it is ok to be mean to inexperienced people commenting in #balance.
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* @RiposteR continued trying to argue it, but also started prosecuting up how poorly treated he felt during the heated argument on whether it is ok to be mean to inexperienced people commenting in #balance.
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* @RiposteR then received a 10 minute mute after ignoring increasingly harsh warnings that the argument was over, and that if he feels mistreated he should report it rather than trying to argue it out here.
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* @RiposteR then received a 10 minute mute after ignoring increasingly harsh warnings that the argument was over, and that if he feels mistreated he should report it rather than trying to argue it out here.
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I am sad to see anyone go, and I hold out hope that the heated discussion pushed people into more disagreement than actually exist.
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Goodbye