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For reference the quote above is from a pinned post in #off-topic [url=https://discord.com/channels/278805140708786177/296254538363568130/1363052437195329536]here[/url].
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For reference the quote above is from a pinned post in #off-topic [url=https://discord.com/channels/278805140708786177/296254538363568130/1363052437195329536]here[/url].
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A few additional comments which came after that post:
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A few additional comments which came after that post:
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[quote]further to the last point, I don't trust myself to faithfully and precisely recall every pertinent detail of a verbal discussion to the level of accuracy required for me to moderate it (and meet anything like the standards of our moderation elsewhere), let alone for me to communicate it to another admin so that they can have an informed opinion
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[quote]further to the last point, I don't trust myself to faithfully and precisely recall every pertinent detail of a verbal discussion to the level of accuracy required for me to moderate it (and meet anything like the standards of our moderation elsewhere), let alone for me to communicate it to another admin so that they can have an informed opinion
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so i hope it conveys no disrespect that i dont trust the other existing ZK admins, or community volunteers, to do that either
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so i hope it conveys no disrespect that i dont trust the other existing ZK admins, or community volunteers, to do that either
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community vc servers have some big moderation advantages, among which are (a) someone can get banned, potentially even unjustly, from them without prejudicing their relationship to the rest of zk
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community vc servers have some big moderation advantages, among which are (a) someone can get banned, potentially even unjustly, from them without prejudicing their relationship to the rest of zk
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and (b) they can have bespoke rules that are suited to them and the people who want to hang out in them; they are in no way associated with the zk coc
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and (b) they can have bespoke rules that are suited to them and the people who want to hang out in them; they are in no way associated with the zk coc
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the zk admins do understand that having vc channels on this server did have advantages for the community (cohesion etc)
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the zk admins do understand that having vc channels on this server did have advantages for the community (cohesion etc)
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one could say that that understanding is why they existed in the first place
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one could say that that understanding is why they existed in the first place
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but the balance between "capability, time, reputation, and other resources the zk admins were able to dedicate to maintaining voice channels" and "harm done to the zk community and project through verbal abuse, drama, et cetera" was in a bad place and on a trajectory to get worse, with no available recourse
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but the balance between "capability, time, reputation, and other resources the zk admins were able to dedicate to maintaining voice channels" and "harm done to the zk community and project through verbal abuse, drama, et cetera" was in a bad place and on a trajectory to get worse, with no available recourse
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there is also spec cheating, which i would bet dollars to donuts was a far more rampant problem in vc than was ever reported (given what i know about how little text-based spec cheating gets reported) but no doubt that will continue in voice channels elsewhere so we are under no illusions that this action addresses that problem[/quote]
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there is also spec cheating, which i would bet dollars to donuts was a far more rampant problem in vc than was ever reported (given what i know about how little text-based spec cheating gets reported) but no doubt that will continue in voice channels elsewhere so we are under no illusions that this action addresses that problem[/quote]
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I'm
not
going
to
say
"don't
argue
with
us
about
it",
but
bear
in
mind
that
just
telling
us
how
great
ZK
server
voice
chat
was
is
not
going
to
move
the
needle.
In
order
to
change
the
minds
of
the
moderators
on
this
topic
you
would
have
to
present
a
workable
solution
to
our
problem,
and
I
think
that
will
be
a
very
difficult
thing
to
do.
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Discord Voice Chat Ban