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The thing is, we can't actually enforce bans. Losing XP isn't that much of a setback, and IP bans are hard to enforce. We have a lot of trolls in this community who just get banned now and again and are mostly fine for 95% of the games they play, losing their temper, raging, or getting into fights only sometimes. They do this infrequently but repeatedly just because this is their attitude.
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The thing is, we can't actually enforce bans. Losing XP isn't that much of a setback, and IP bans are hard to enforce. We have a lot of trolls in this community who just get banned now and again and are mostly fine for 95% of the games they play, losing their temper, raging, or getting into fights only sometimes. They do this infrequently but repeatedly just because this is their attitude.
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People get angry. Sometimes in reaction to another players actions. That recent episode with t[O_ot] vs Ivory is a good example. What are you meant to do when someone is only reacting to provocation? Ban everyone?
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People get angry. Sometimes in reaction to another players actions. That recent episode with t[O_ot] vs Ivory is a good example. What are you meant to do when someone is only reacting to provocation? Ban everyone?
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When is playing badly playing badly ON PURPOSE? What is the border between 'lern2play fucking noob' and 'MAKE MORE MEXES!!'?
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When is playing badly playing badly ON PURPOSE? What is the border between 'lern2play fucking noob' and 'MAKE MORE MEXES!!'?
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We really only have two options here to deal with problem players. Reason with/threaten/punish them in the hope they'll behave and reform (In which case, you better be pretty damn sure that the punishment you're giving them won't just make them troll more or have no effect). Or you purge and expunge them from the community entirely through IP bans and garbage which takes time, resources, and costs us players, and you'd better be damn sure that it is warranted and Option A isn't viable.
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We really only have two options here to deal with problem players. Reason with/threaten/punish them in the hope they'll behave and reform (In which case, you better be pretty damn sure that the punishment you're giving them won't just make them troll more or have no effect). Or you purge and expunge them from the community entirely through IP bans and garbage which takes time, resources, and costs us players, and you'd better be damn sure that it is warranted and Option A isn't viable.
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But
then
you
have
a
lot
of
'reformed
trolls'
in
the
community,
waiting
for
them
to
fuck
up
again
in
a
clear-cut
case
so
you
can
punish
them.
It's
not
that
we
don't
punish
people
because
we
don't
have
the
power,
it's
that
we
don't
do
it
because
we
want
to
make
sure
its
effective,
and
one
of
the
big
parts
about
being
effective
is
that
it
is
justified.
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But
then
you
have
a
lot
of
'reformed
trolls'
in
the
community,
waiting
for
them
to
fuck
up
again
in
a
clear-cut
case
so
you
can
discipline
them.
It's
not
that
we
don't
punish
people
because
we
don't
have
the
power,
it's
that
we
don't
do
it
because
we
want
to
make
sure
its
effective,
and
one
of
the
big
parts
about
being
effective
is
that
it
is
justified.
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Ideally, I'd like to be able to change the culture entirely so that politeness is just a part of it. SC2 does a really good job of this, though I think that is because of the obsessive veneration of the uber-polite korean pro scene. I dunno how to do this with Zero-K. I can barely keep a level head myself when I'm typing 'MAKE MORE MEXES!!!!' in all caps with as many exclamation points as possible because they just aren't getting the picture.
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Ideally, I'd like to be able to change the culture entirely so that politeness is just a part of it. SC2 does a really good job of this, though I think that is because of the obsessive veneration of the uber-polite korean pro scene. I dunno how to do this with Zero-K. I can barely keep a level head myself when I'm typing 'MAKE MORE MEXES!!!!' in all caps with as many exclamation points as possible because they just aren't getting the picture.
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