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6/16/2012 2:42:16 PMAUrankAdminSaktoth before revert after revert
6/16/2012 2:40:48 PMAUrankAdminSaktoth before revert after revert
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1 The thing is, we can't actually enforce bans. Losing XP isn't that much of a setback, and IP bans are hard to enforce. We have a lot of trolls in this community who just get banned now and again and are mostly fine for 95% of the games they play, losing their temper, raging, or getting into fights only sometimes. They do this infrequently but repeatedly just because this is their attitude. 1 The thing is, we can't actually enforce bans. Losing XP isn't that much of a setback, and IP bans are hard to enforce. We have a lot of trolls in this community who just get banned now and again and are mostly fine for 95% of the games they play, losing their temper, raging, or getting into fights only sometimes. They do this infrequently but repeatedly just because this is their attitude.
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3 People get angry. Sometimes in reaction to another players actions. That recent episode with t[O_ot] vs Ivory is a good example. What are you meant to do when someone is only reacting to provocation? Ban everyone? 3 People get angry. Sometimes in reaction to another players actions. That recent episode with t[O_ot] vs Ivory is a good example. What are you meant to do when someone is only reacting to provocation? Ban everyone?
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5 When is playing badly playing badly ON PURPOSE? What is the border between 'lern2play fucking noob' and 'MAKE MORE MEXES!!'? 5 When is playing badly playing badly ON PURPOSE? What is the border between 'lern2play fucking noob' and 'MAKE MORE MEXES!!'?
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7 We really only have two options here to deal with problem players. Reason with/threaten/punish them in the hope they'll behave and reform (In which case, you better be pretty damn sure that the punishment you're giving them won't just make them troll more or have no effect). Or you purge and expunge them from the community entirely through IP bans and garbage which takes time, resources, and costs us players, and you'd better be damn sure that it is warranted and Option A isn't viable. 7 We really only have two options here to deal with problem players. Reason with/threaten/punish them in the hope they'll behave and reform (In which case, you better be pretty damn sure that the punishment you're giving them won't just make them troll more or have no effect). Or you purge and expunge them from the community entirely through IP bans and garbage which takes time, resources, and costs us players, and you'd better be damn sure that it is warranted and Option A isn't viable.
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9 But then you have a lot of 'reformed trolls' in the community, waiting for them to fuck up again in a clear-cut case so you can punish them. It's not that we don't punish people because we don't have the power, it's that we don't do it because we want to make sure its effective, and one of the big parts about being effective is that it is justified. 9 But then you have a lot of 'reformed trolls' in the community, waiting for them to fuck up again in a clear-cut case so you can discipline them. It's not that we don't punish people because we don't have the power, it's that we don't do it because we want to make sure its effective, and one of the big parts about being effective is that it is justified.
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11 Ideally, I'd like to be able to change the culture entirely so that politeness is just a part of it. SC2 does a really good job of this, though I think that is because of the obsessive veneration of the uber-polite korean pro scene. I dunno how to do this with Zero-K. I can barely keep a level head myself when I'm typing 'MAKE MORE MEXES!!!!' in all caps with as many exclamation points as possible because they just aren't getting the picture. 11 Ideally, I'd like to be able to change the culture entirely so that politeness is just a part of it. SC2 does a really good job of this, though I think that is because of the obsessive veneration of the uber-polite korean pro scene. I dunno how to do this with Zero-K. I can barely keep a level head myself when I'm typing 'MAKE MORE MEXES!!!!' in all caps with as many exclamation points as possible because they just aren't getting the picture.