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Obeytoxophilbeens

3 months ago

chuddy send 3 snitch on our morphed geo
then games end

+0 / -0

Buckymancer

3 months ago

The Advanced Geothermal's death is a puzzle. It survived the Snitch blasts on 60 health, but then blew a few seconds later with no apparent impetus.

+0 / -0

GoogleFrog

3 months ago

I saw it survive on 100 health then tick down by increments of 10 and 20. Gibs deal 10 damage so my guess is hard to spot gibs from nearby explosions.

+1 / -0

madez

3 months ago

What's a gib?

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Mach56

3 months ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_video_game_terms#Gib

+2 / -0

madez

3 months ago
(edited 3 months ago)

Thanks. So that's one explanation how sometimes stuff keeps getting damaged a short while after a fight has ended.

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Stuey72727

3 months ago

How much do gibs increase the damage of blastwings? I feel like for a few units it's pretty substantially?

+0 / -0

madez

2 months ago

I think the lifelong ban on Chudy should be repelled and replaced by a reasonable ban, like a couple of months.

Lifelong bans are too easily issued in many online communities. This is one side of the coin, as the other is strained volunteer moderators. Nevertheless, both are a real problem.

+2 / -0

Aquanim

2 months ago
(edited 2 months ago)

For what purpose? Chudy
(a) made it perfectly clear that he had no interest in modifying his antisocial behaviour
(b) hurled vile abuse at anybody (moderator or otherwise) who indicated they didn't like that antisocial behaviour
(c) not being satisfied with having abused those people in the moment, went on to conduct an ongoing campaign of harassment against them

Moderation actions exist to either discourage or prevent behaviour which damages the community. "Discourage" is clearly a lost cause here, so we have ended up at "prevent".

edit: If anybody feels the need to contribute their opinion here, which I do not at all encourage, understand in advance that any line of argument that runs along the lines of "Chudy never abused me so he must be an okay guy and deserve to play Zero-K again" will only attract my disdain.

+4 / -0

madez

2 months ago

Even if someone commits the gravest crimes and shows no remorse, they will eventually be freed in many societies, because we have learned that people can and do change.

I'm not questioning that having Chudy in the community now would be damaging. I'm thinking that people in 1, 3 or 10 years will be different than they are now.

Is the workload or patience of moderators unable to give someone after some years another try to behave better and if needed to ban them again?

+0 / -0

GoogleFrog

2 months ago

Frankly, yes, the workload is too great to give Chudy a year-long ban. I'm speaking from experience.

Giving the worst people shorter bans leads to a revolving door of people with grievances against moderation. The information asymmetry is such that trolls can spread their stories and get vague support from uninformed third parties. The most problematic are those that are nice to a few people and don't interact with a lot of the community. In the worst case we have had this sort of "embedded troll" blow up over warnings, snowballing into drama where uninformed third parties post wild takes about things that didn't happen, which the trolls encourage. None of this makes the community a nicer place to be in. Even discussing it makes this a worse place.

madez I'm partial to your view, but you have to realise that you have very limited information. This thread is pretty tame, but it is still part of the work of moderation. If we hadn't already banned most of the long-term malicious trolls, then you could bet that this thread would be swarming with them, supporting Chudy by twisting what is said and taking every chance to discredit moderation.

Be realistic, Zero-K is more like a sports club than a whole society. Nobody is owed membership in their local spots club, and if they did what a few people do around here, they would be quickly permanently banned. We're also spilling a lot of ink over the small percentage of people who are incompatible with a nice online community, and aren't going to turn that around any time soon. At some level you just have to trust moderator judgement because it is too expensive to give you all the information and context. And when you're quibbling over 1 year vs. lifetime, it feels like you're basically already there.

Even more realistically, if Chudy returns in 5 years as a completely different person, it seems unlikely that anyone would kick up a fuss.

+7 / -0

madez

2 months ago
(edited 2 months ago)

I understand that I have virtually no insight into this case and carry much less responsibility, so I want to thank you for considering me seriously and answering me.

Zero-K is by far not the only community with lifelong bans. Others are much more ban-happy. I have no experience in toxic dynamics of online communities, despite some unrelated moderation experience, and I am too naive to anticipate them.

I wrote here to raise my concern about lifelong bans because I know no better way. Now that this is out of the way, it can be closed. But I will continue to lament in silence the reality and that all this mess happens.

+3 / -0

katastrophe

2 months ago

madez

Don't. I have no clue on the chudy-case, but I can say that

quote:
If we hadn't already banned most of the long-term malicious trolls, then you could bet that this thread would be swarming with them, supporting PLrankChudy by twisting what is said and taking every chance to discredit moderation.

does not come out of nowhere.

+0 / -0

Knightshade

2 months ago
(edited 2 months ago)

[deleted to not encourage further argument on the topic]

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Stuey72727

59 days ago

Honestly, I think our community is better without trying too hard to include difficult players.

It genuinely does drive new players away from the game and we don't have the luxury of being able to do that.

We'll have a larger and nicer community with stricter moderation.

They will also learn there are consequences to actions.

+3 / -0

Aquanim

59 days ago
(edited 54 days ago)

I hard-deleted a post from this thread which made an assertion about Chudy's personal life. I don't think it was particularly confidential info but nevertheless I really don't think the forum needs that sort of thing, whether it is about an active, inactive or banned user. The person who made it knows who they are. Please don't make the post again.

quote:
Even more realistically, if Chudy returns in 5 years as a completely different person, it seems unlikely that anyone would kick up a fuss.

To emphasise this, bans from Zero-K are generally "indefinite" rather than "lifetime". It is a distinction with a difference, people with indefinite bans have been unbanned before.

There are a handful of people where I cannot imagine what they could possibly do to cause us to unban them. Chudy isn't on that list for me.

edit: Chudy has requested account deletion, which we have done.

+7 / -0

PLT_Godde

59 days ago

Chudy was a pretty social guy and often joining voicechat while playing.
Has voicechat been brought back to the Zero-K discord?
Talking about lifetime bans, I still haven't received a clear answer to what I can do to get my discord ban revoked.
Anyway, I can still enjoy voicechat with others at the Fightorder discord.

+3 / -0

Title:	[A] Teams All Welcome
Host:	Nobody
Game version:	Zero-K v1.13.12.3
Engine version:	2025.04.11
Battle ID:	2352161
Started:	3 months ago
Duration:	10 minutes
Players:	21
Bots:	False
Mission:	False
Rating:	Casual