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Why are donations used to buy 5 Windows licenses?

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unknownrankHydris
5 months ago
Why not use Linux for the servers?
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DErankHiEnergy
5 months ago
Perhaps M$ submitted an offer you can't decline... :P
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DErankkatastrophe
5 months ago
(edited 5 months ago)

why do you think your (actually useful) comment will change anything?
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DErankTopkack
5 months ago
Shouldn't you sleep DErankkatastrophe ?
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unknownrankHydris
5 months ago
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Perhaps M$ submitted an offer you can't decline... :P


But they still need to ask for donations and buy a Windows license (x5).
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USrankOflameo
5 months ago
I just realized that my desktop is about as powerful as CZrankAdminLicho's server because I upgraded it so much for no reason for network simulations.

I shopped and found a sever on Ebay with about the same specs as CZrankAdminLicho's server. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-T310-Tower-Server-Quad-Core-X3440-32GB-RAM-4TB-Storage-PERC6i/132491938555?hash=item1ed9228afb

The HP Compaq 6200 Pro Microtower Business PC I bought at Goodwill for 30 USD is actually almost as good as the desktop I am running now that I built in 2013. It having a Intel Core i5-2400 compared to the Intel Core i5-3570 I am running off of right now.

I guess my point is, unless you are running super computer, on a actuated hardware deprecation cycle, or run Windows, buying a new PC just to upgrade is for suckers except you are underspeced.
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PLrankAdminSprung
5 months ago
As far as I am aware, server uses Windows mostly because that's what Licho is familiar with.
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DErankAdminmojjj
5 months ago
yes. bill gates fanboy.
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CArankMbappey
5 months ago
A lot of the infrastructure code uses Windows technologies and frameworks, thus its run on a windows server. Like someone else mentioned, much of it boils down to familiarity, though there are probably exponents of both Apache and Windows that would happily state their cause all night long.
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AUrankAdminGoogleFrog
5 months ago
Windows vs. Linux is part of a more general set of decisions about the tradeoff between money and time. How much time would someone need to dedicate to run and maintain a Linux server for 'free'? What else could the contributor spend their time on? Would anyone want to do such a task in the first place? Would the uptime be as good?

Professional server hosting is a highly efficient use of money as it effectively buys a lot of equivalent contributor time for a relatively low cost. Think about what else we could buy. Art assets are expensive and hiring workers is even more expensive.
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JPrankgajop
5 months ago
It's mostly about Licho's familiarity (which is a decent reason of course, as he's the main infra dev). Windows is of course not generally superior to Linux for server hosting.
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LVrankSenaven
5 months ago
How much unknownrankHydris donated to ZK and how much Linux servers he maintain as game infra dev?
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PLrankCatLady
5 months ago
While the ^ above post is example of absolutely unnecessary "red herring" style argument, it all boils down to "is there anyone wanting to volunteer doing same on Linux servers", who is also able to prove having necessary skill set and at least basic trustworthiness? I guess that current answer is "no".

On the purely meritocratic terms, self-maintaining servers on Linux would provide - in "gains" department - more flexibility and less risk of incompatibility with future version of whatever micro$oft throws at it users (and future cost of upgrading "depreciated" software).
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LVrankSenaven
5 months ago
(edited 5 months ago)

While the ^ above post is example of absolutely unnecessary post in any meaning, it all boils down to complete nothingness.
I couldn't resist my temptation to make my trollpost above. Sorry i'm only weak human. My souls is corrupted with dark trolling.
Btw. Its funny to watch/read how Linux fanboys wage war with Windows fanboys. Its like topics when vegans discuss with meat eaters. I love such fanaticism.
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USrank_Shaman
5 months ago
Ultimately, the obviousiest choice for time is reinvention wheeling to ensure that the wheel is compatibility later on. This way you avoid having incompatibility with both M$ and linux versions. To that anvil, our developers should be spending time making their own operation system to ensure compatible and not reinvention wheeling bugs to ensure bugs preservation for future debug.

[Spoiler]
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USrankOflameo
5 months ago
(edited 5 months ago)

PLrankCatLady
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On the purely meritocratic terms, self-maintaining servers on Linux would provide - in "gains" department - more flexibility and less risk of incompatibility with future version of whatever micro$oft throws at it users (and future cost of upgrading "depreciated" software).


Self-maintaining servers on Linux? I haven't heard of such a thing. I would really love to have some of those instead of having to read 17 research papers from IEEE Spectrum on provisioning, and scaling, to find a balance between making servers, and maintaining servers, because the more servers you have, and the more networks you have, and the more software you have, the more expensive it is to upkeep them. If you have any information on Self-maintaining servers on Linux, I have some friends at Amazon who would really want to know more about it because their Prime Day went Subprime on them.

PLrankCatLady
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is there anyone wanting to volunteer doing same on Linux servers


I am interested in getting trained as an infrastructure dev.
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USrankCrazyEddie
5 months ago
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I am interested in getting trained as an infrastructure dev.

Start here: https://zero-k.info/mediawiki/index.php?title=Zero-K:Developing#Modifying_infrastructure.2Ftools

Set up a test instance and play around with it, then ask questions in #zkdev chat.

You'll need a copy of Windows.

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USrankOflameo
5 months ago
Not necessarily because I knew SQL Server ran on GNU/Linux since 2012 and it is officially supported now by Microsoft. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/linux/sql-server-linux-editions-and-components-2017?view=sql-server-linux-2017

If I did get a copy of Windows, which edition would it be?
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USrankCrazyEddie
4 months ago
I can't tell you anything more than what's documented on the wiki at that link. I haven't tried to do it myself.

If you try to get it working under Linux and encounter problems, probably the first troubleshooting step anyone will offer you is "try it under Windows".

My guess is that any vaguely recent version of Windows should work, in any edition.

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unknownrankHydris
4 months ago
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How much unknownrankHydris donated to ZK and how much Linux servers he maintain as game infra dev?


Why do I need to be an audio engineer, game infrastructure dev, 3d model artist, C# programmer, etc to make any critiques and suggestions regarding the game?

I considered donating to this game and the current spending going towards temporary Windows licenses when there are free options is a legitimate question.

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