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Map: Mechadansonia v1.02
 Mechadansonia v1.02
Title: MM 2557: 1v1, Rank Neutron Star
Host: Nobody
Game version: Zero-K v1.8.12.1
Engine version: 104.0.1-1544-ge1f249f
Battle ID: 1032802
Started: 3 years ago
Duration: 21 minutes
Players: 2
Bots: False
Mission: False
Rating: Competitive
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Team 1
Chance of victory: 52.9%

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Chance of victory: 47.1%

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USrankStuart98
3 years ago
JJ vs Spider doesn't feel unwinnable for JJ but it's very difficult, spiders doesn't have to be nearly as attentive as JJ does.

* Venom shuts pyros down very easily, have to go mods.
* Fleas are the best unit in the game for killing mods, and pyros have some of the worst friendly fire issues in defending them.
* Crab doesn't have a good counter on the jumpjets side, since firewalker doesn't do much damage vs a single target and mods just get blown up, while pyros are too dense do be a good unit to surround and kill it from up close.

I probably would have won this game regardless if I didn't put my factory in a bad location, the top-most cliff on this map is very good for spider's angles of approach.
+0 / -0


unknownrankShaman
3 years ago
(edited 3 years ago)
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Crab doesn't have a good counter on the jumpjets side, since firewalker doesn't do much damage vs a single target and mods just get blown up, while pyros are too dense do be a good unit to surround and kill it from up close.


Sumo. Sumo in theory annihilates the entire spider factory. Need widows to defeat it.
+2 / -0
USrankforcegod
3 years ago
sumos are a fat metal investment though
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unknownrankShaman
3 years ago
Sumo is at about comparable level to crab in terms of cost (1700)
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LVrankSenaven
3 years ago
Nerf flea. Too op unit.
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EErankAdminAnarchid
3 years ago
(edited 3 years ago)
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* Venom shuts pyros down very easily, have to go mods.

Clock a bit more APM and Pyro beats Venom. They're about even for cost, but Pyro can do more damage to Venom than vice versa in 1v1, by setting the Venom on fire then jumping away during the stun gap.

This kind of changes at high density (many venoms vs many pyros), but by the time it becomes a real concern you're well into Firewalker vs Recluse or Jugg vs Crab phase.
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