What is the point of this game!?

I wanted to have a relaxed 3-Way FFA game what do I get a death within 5 MINUTES!!!!

quote: @hedkeaf: "Bonke we need team or we died" , "help" , kill him now"

In felt every FFA game hedkeaf incites other players against me. (to make me resign).

quote: @hedkeaf "oke" , "my goal is done)"

And thinks afterwards that his goal is fulfilled

Pure logic to fight together against the (best) player is probably good but in this game I saw Bonke clearly stronger. Which simply means that Rank & Elo does not mean who is the best.

Now my question can you blacklist on self hosted lobbies? I know you can set minimum and maximum level and elo can you also ban specific players from a self hosted lobby?

I think in your case in particular you tend to aggravate some types of people, which makes them try and make you lose regardless of whether or not they win.

The official standpoint of the moderator team has always been that a non-passworded room is a public roon.
Therefor any kick or other form of exclusion of a certain player/group of players is not acceptable.

So, if you don't want to play with a certain player, you will have to make a privat, passworded host, where you can do whatever you want.


However, I know the problem you face right now, very well.
Therefor, I also want to remind @hedkeaf of point 4 in the Code of Conduct:
4. Maintain Fairness

quote: @Godde: "Point 4 in the Code of Conduct says nothing that is relevant to this thread: "

I think the listed things under the different main points are just examples.
I think that Anir is generally referring to the main point "4. Maintain Fairness"

quote: However, I know the problem you face right now, very well. Therefor, I also want to remind @hedkeaf of point 4 in the Code of Conduct: 4. Maintain Fairness

Aren't you a moderator Anir? Posting vague threats as one is not the way to go. Also, is this 'reminder' from you personally or the moderator team as a whole? If it's the latter, I'd be rather curious to hear how the mod team finds "getting enjoyment from putting in all the effort to knock out the best player in an FFA" any different from the utter garbage plays that many pot players do?

As far as I remember, the mindset of the ZK team was that everyone should be allowed to have fun and play the game the way they want, without getting griefed and/or harassed for their way of playing. This also meant that people weren't punished for playing for fun rather than trying to win. Not sure why this is suddenly a problem in an FFA game?

Kicking out that purple player in an FFA must feel good, partially because those games are the rare chance many players ever get to beating one of them outside of pots; it's only natural that purples got that huge target on their head. I remember speccing a couple of Kingstad's FFA games back in the day, and despite getting teamed up on pretty often (relative to the handful of games I specced, of course) I don't recall seeing him ever complain.

And lastly, taking out the best player at the very start is simply the smartest way to go about it. The longer a game goes on, the more advantageous it gets for the skilled purple player.

I installed ZK on a whim for a short while, had no idea what the password to my previous account was so I just created this one. Huixtocihuatl is my old account.

As for the 'need to know about FFA games', I'll go commenting about that in the thread you linked.

Obviously Hoppili feels this game was unfun, but is this the tipping point? Are there other games that have specific grievances against the @hedkeaf? In what ways does Hoppili feel deliberately targeted?

It is FFA, you evidently has the highest chance to win with that purple elo therefore it is only logical to make a call to gang upon you.

Now, you feel is deliberate because he lost in the end while signing off "my goal is done". Ironically, you left out the subsequent game of the same period with him which is https://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/1259114. You sound it out loud that you not "plan to win", then end up killing your neighbor and winning. Not only that, you also threatened to leave the game if you are ganged, again.

Honestly, what I got from all this is that you just salty to be killed. If you can't deal with being primary target in FFA then don't be a purple or don't FFA with other non-purples or better, don't FFA at all.

Aquanim
Your post? I think you are over analyzing a specific direction which based off one replay and Hoppili post instead of looking at numerous directions. In other words, you see what you want to see.

Me judging him being salty is based on two replays in that same day of the same period and the contents of his posts.

He started by trying to rationalize what @hedkeaf doing is illogical, citing elo is not a good deciding factor as oppose to actual strength ingame. Then use that as justification to judge what he doing as "deliberate". However, Remembrance already argued why it isn't illogical. I don't want to repeat that.

Then the question he wrote already begin to display that saltiness

quote: Now my question can you blacklist on self hosted lobbies? I know you can set minimum and maximum level and elo can you also ban specific players from a self hosted lobby?

Why he ask this question? I think is no brainer he ask this so he can ban @hedkeaf from his FFA room.

I then watched the subsequent game to see if there is more saltiness and there is indeed more with threatening to leave the game if ganged while blaming @hedkeaf for it.

Aquanim, the problem is you seem to narrow it down to either Hoppili or @hedkeaf being the problem but you fail to see that inorder to "gang" someone, the other parties too must share the same opinion or in other words, agree with that logic. @hedkeaf simply utilizing his freedom of speech or in Anir's thread, diplomacy to gang upon a player. Now, Hoppili fail the diplomacy and upset that he die, he subconsciously too understood why he is ganged with

quote: Rank & Elo

Instead of taking it as it is, he made a post in this replay and even asked if he can ban someone from a room. If all of those are not screaming saltiness, I don't know what is and I don't see the point of sugarcoating my words. I only see myself criticizing him harshly for such obvious saltiness and I am sure he knows what I am referring to, definitely. If you see otherwise, that is your judgement, not mine.

Aquanim
And you seem to be obsessed with defending Hoppili. I do play FFA and I see what I see, that includes fog of war and step by step timeline.

Of course @Bonke has to agree else he won't readily engage while entering via different slope which the replay evidently shown. Sure, he didn't go all out but enough to kill the commander.

On that subject, while Hoppili said @Bonke was the strongest in this post, he sent his glaives towards @hedkeaf and then when ganged upon, said @hedkeaf would win. Evidently, what he wrote in this post is more of a hindsight, after he die.