Neil deGrasse Tyson shares why fusion discovery could change the future of energy
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I also wanted to post this lol. You were ahead of me, kudos to you. Great News Indeed! To put it in Zero-K terms, humanity expanded to much without making eco, time to make some fusion reactors.
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next step: (absolutely stable and safe) singus. what could go wrong?
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Firepluk showing up and constructing one while saying "Resign Human Noobs"
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Tbh ITER will still take ages to construct (and even after that, a long time until fusion reactors will be made commercially). Nuclear fusion reactors are still 30+ years away, sadly :( and we need to deal with climate change asap...
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if only china , usa , india , europe and russia would work together in a same project , it would take less than 10 years some other nation too , japan , uk(since no longer in europe) and any other that are wealthy enough to make it happens kinda miss out australia , i dont know much of australia but seems like a you do your thing , im cool with myself country ( just joking) =D
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I am feeling confident, there is a big chance Elon Musk might step in. He already wasted tons of money on Twitter to transform it into a free social media. It might be the case for this one as well to throw in some billions.
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A lot of nations are funding ITER (the whole EU, USA and China? are helping too, probs - France is funding it the most) but some things just cannot be sped up. Iter is one of the most expensive scientific projects ever, besides the likes of ISS or LHC. But yeah, its crazy how those billionaires are wealthy, like    Forever pointed out. Musk gave 44 000 000 000 USD for Twitter (which was like 15-20 % of his total wealth) to transform it into a dumpster fire and run it down, but ITER itself cost something around 10-40 billioms USD so far, which is... less the Twitter. If only those people funded important projects instead (or, better yet, the wealth gap wasn't so crazy and they did not exist). EDIT cause I got angry thinking about it: What a time to live in. THE crucial scientific project that might help us get a sustainable source of energy in the long term horizon costs less, than some random idiotic narcisstic billionaire spills on Twitter because he thinks people will like him more afterwards. We are doomed.
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A cool result, but just to temper things: quote:
However, they had to put 300MJ of energy into the lasers to provide the 2MJ to the target |
So actually producing 1% of the input energy. And we are still ignoring construction and refinement costs. ref: https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/nuclear-fusion-breakthrough-unlimited-clean-energy/
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fiendicus_prime even it cost alot to build it , it zero emission in long term anyhow better than other non renewable energy , especially nuclear power plan which i think is dangerous to have. we should obsolete all the coal , gas and fuel power plan and replace with this, even it cost more to run fusion power plant. all the rich country should change their power option to fusion , cause they always say about climate control , they want to limit carbon emission of country whereby they were the most causing the carbon print during their industry age, so they should replace 1st to help the carbon emission repay what ever they caused. after technology is mature enough to reduce cost of building , then the whole world should use it. and 1.5x is current achievement , perhaps they would find a better conversion rate, this would be the future energy we are looking for , might even work in inter galaxy space travel.
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   Hougo Even ignoring the costs of building this. The actual energy equation for this experiment was: 300MJ of electrical energy goes in (converted to 2MJ laser AIUI) and 3MJ fusion energy comes out. Maybe they used the worst eBay lasers and can easily improve the conversion efficiency to 100%, but I really doubt it. Oh and this doesn't breed Tritium either. And can't run continuously. And only releases enough energy to boil a kettle. I'm sorry but fusion isn't going to contribute any time soon. I'd guess it's at least 50 years from doing so.
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just like what the video said , its proven to work , engineer has to find a way to use it . one for a kettle . but how bout 1 millions? just like 1 kg coal generates 8 kWh , 100 kg makes 800 kWh.
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Build 1 million of these and you won't have any energy left for anything else, since they yield 1% of the energy being put in. As I said, it's cool and all, but call me when the entire system can at least produce an energy surplus given what is put in, which still wouldn't be economically viable due to other costs. For example, at that efficiency I can probably capture carbon from the atmosphere and then burn it again to yield 1% of the input energy. In fact, this is also a very cool technology, and possibly one that will be a lot more useful in the short term because you can use excess solar power to run it.
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  czesio All power to them, tho honestly i dont see it being more practical than fossils or hydro/wind/solar for anytime in future. FYI the cold fusion is known since like 80s. You can replicate the cold fusion, by making dc out of wall socket ac, plugging a power dimmer to have 3000w range and you put 2 wires into a jar. the electrolisis happens, but at above like 180vdc the hydrogens dont move away but stay bc of electrostatic pressure with the wire, and bond with that wire, people shown transmutation of metals occuring. like aluminium forming on copper wire or something.. have some videos on some backup hdds, but dont really care about that shit since going vegan. Great conversation topic for picking up chicks at the bar, thats why im not into that thing, but its doable... and it shines radio at proper frequs required for fusion to occur. Some guys even said they did net positive energy out of it. So you can have your ps5 or other electric kettle powered by cold fusion instead of solar+batteries. [Spoiler]
Was thinking the other day in terms of power, like if you could plug a gamma lamp to shine on thorium instead tickling thorium with uranium as it is done in usual LFTR cycle... maybe other gamma sources instead of uranium, tho like idgaf since going vegan.. that thing is like whateves... another manmade bullshit that will fall on our asses as any other crap. [Spoiler]
History shows again and again
How nature points out the folly of menCompared to putting a dead wheat inside of a living biological being, and diseases a bread forms, animal ag, its just a cherry on top of this poop cake of man made wonders...
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one can imagine a duna jam festival, or GOADUPA/egodrop powered from portable fusion generators instead from portable diesel generators... it would be lit man. [Spoiler]
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 rookstoo I have spoilered your barely relevant videos to keep the thread scrollable. You should consider doing so in the future.
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Thanks for the link   fiendicus_prime, it clears things up. Extracting more energy than we delivered is interesting, although is such a technical point that I wasn't aware we hadn't done that yet. I saw the thumbnail of the guardian video in the wild but I didn't click it. I figured that, if fusion was now "real" (in the sense that a reactor could be built, with enough money), I would hear about it soon enough. The guy presenting it could have at least told people the total input energy. I was quite surprised to hear that we had not only made "real" fusion, but that the energy factor was 1.5x. Although, I'm not a physicist, but for whatever reason, I feel like tokamaks are more promising. I don't have much to back this up, it just feels more scalable to have a big persistent ring of plasma than to keep blasting and clearing pellets.
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rookstoo what's your opinion on nuclear power plants?
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