Calling the Resign Team

I got a game where the player who screwed up in the game, after he capitulated. Now he is a spectator and he is engaged in the fact that he introduces team !poll resign and offers my team to capitulate.

Such a player does not have the right to call a resign command, and here's why:

1. He is now a spectator, not a team player, should not have access to team commands, not his privilege. It would be dumber if a team 1 player called a resign poll for the 2nd team, I don’t see a difference with a spectator.
2. A player who has already capitulated does not play, he is bored and he is engaged in abusing the team in order to finish the game faster and start the next one, but I, as a player who plays for the sake of victory, do not care about what this player wants, I play to the last and to win .
3. This is a spec-cheat that is not allowed in the game. Since the player is now a spectator, he sees the whole map, which means he has more information. Now he's triggering a resign poll, which destroys my team's motivation - it's complete bullshit. Because of this, I have to digress into a damn chat to convince my team that we have not lost yet, that we have good positions and economy and that we need to fight - I have to restore the motivation of my team. I'm wasting my time on this and getting distracted by some bastard spamming !poll resign from spectator mode and have to counter it, what the hell? I have another example, imagine that in a 1 on 1 game, the spectator will tell the player that he is losing with a high chance and offer him to surrender, don't you find this as dismoral behavior?



Also in BAR, a spectator cannot vote to resign.

quote: For example, it does not take many players going AFK for a resign poll to be pretty difficult to pass.

Then what about this: the poll can just count AFK players as not there (because they aren't), the result of that being the total number of players needed for a majority would go down.

Unless there are other reasons why spectators should be able to vote in resign polls, I think the bad things out-weigh the good things by quite a lot.

quote: Such a player does not have the right to call a resign command, and here's why: 1. He is now a spectator, not a team player, should not have access to team commands, not his privilege. It would be dumber if a team 1 player called a resign poll for the 2nd team, I don’t see a difference with a spectator. 2. A player who has already capitulated does not play, he is bored and he is engaged in abusing the team in order to finish the game faster and start the next one, but I, as a player who plays for the sake of victory, do not care about what this player wants, I play to the last and to win . 3. This is a spec-cheat that is not allowed in the game. Since the player is now a spectator, he sees the whole map, which means he has more information. Now he's triggering a resign poll, which destroys my team's motivation - it's complete bullshit. Because of this, I have to digress into a damn chat to convince my team that we have not lost yet, that we have good positions and economy and that we need to fight - I have to restore the motivation of my team. I'm wasting my time on this and getting distracted by some bastard spamming !poll resign from spectator mode and have to counter it, what the hell? I have another example, imagine that in a 1 on 1 game, the spectator will tell the player that he is losing with a high chance and offer him to surrender, don't you find this as dismoral behavior?

I agree on all points. There are some nuances though. I thought I wrote a ticket about it or something, but I can't find it.

On the technical side of things I think we have to move resign from being a battle room concept to being a game concept.

• Rooms have trouble knowing who is a spectator or not. The game knows.
• Rooms have trouble knowing who is AFK (or the detection is more lenient). The game knows.
• Room polls must be a global blocking poll. A game-poll could be local to teams and not interfere with other polls.

For practical purposes we may want to let very recently resigned players vote on resign polls. Then someone can resign and vote to resign within something like a minute. This seems better than having players sit around uselessly just so they can vote on a poll. There is also the issue of a 10v10 resigning down to a 2v2. In an ideal world the other 16 players would be able to start a new game and let the 2v2 continue in peace. But with the current system some of the 16 players end up yelling to make the game end. So for practicality we may need to add a rule like "teams with only 20% of their player left resign", to deal with the case that current spectator resign solves.

Anyway, until any of this happens, the answer is that spectators have barely any right to do anything, so you can kick them. But that can be quite hard and disruptive when they are spamming votes.

quote: Then what about this: the poll can just count AFK players as not there (because they aren't)

quote: I think we have to move resign from being a battle room concept to being a game concept.

<picard>Make it so.</picard>

They can also just re-join the room in 5min and keep spamming resign votes...

The best solution is to make the required player number depend on the number of playing players as Lawesome9 said and to block starting resign votes and voting on resign votes for resigned players. The required number should also be updated when a player resigns while a resign vote is ongoing in which the resigning player has not participated. The principle of updating vote requirements should also be applied to other votes such as start votes. Sometimes, players are leaving such that an ongoing start vote cannot be successfull.
I'm not sure what is necessary to implement this. For resign votes, it seems to be making it a game logic as GoogleFrog said, or at least tell the room if a player resigns or leaves.

If updating the requiremnt was not possible, the 2nd best solution would be to count resigned players as having voted !y on resign votes and to block starting resign votes and voting on resign votes for them.

The 3rd best solution is to only block starting resign votes for resigned players without changing anything else. In this case, it would be bad to remove the possibility for resigned players to vote on resign votes because then, some resign votes can never be successfull. The problem of never ending resign votes if noobs don't know that they can still vote after having resigned still exists in the current and 3rd best solution but is solved by the 1st and 2nd best solution.