Can we remove the drp from the game already?

quote: Is your argument that even if west would have built DRP instead of a Starlight

West did build a DRP. Rephrase your argument and then I'll respond.

> I looked at the values in that version in case things changed. SL does 5400 dps. Aegis regens 50hp/s. That's 108 aegis to match the SL dps. That costs 56700 metal.
Starlight cleanly beats its cost in mass Aegis even protecting one target, because if the Starlight's continuously firing at the Aegis ball the Aegis ball requires more than four Singularity Reactors' worth of energy and the cost of the generators puts the Starlight ahead.

Zenith also beats its cost in mass Aegis eventually, by letting the Aegises stay fully charged for about three minutes and then hitting the shield ball with 150 meteors at once.

The only mathematical solution for shielding against a superweapon for roughly cost is against Starlight, but you need to have a mostly depleted Aegis formation over the target that's propped up by leeching from a lot of Convicts, and even then the Craterpuncher wins unless you're relying on the Convict shields themselves as a final line of defense.

Possible Superweapon Balancing Mechanics

1. Automatic Reveal on Completion
Once a superweapon is finished, its location and a small surrounding area are revealed to all players. This forces immediate defensive play and makes surprise use impossible.

2. High Energy Demand
Superweapons require massive energy upkeep, especially when firing. Teams must build significant extra power (e.g., singularities), making them more vulnerable to energy snipes.

3. Slower Operation
- Meteors: Build and reload times are longer.
- DRP: Fires less frequently.
- Starlight: Rotates and fires more slowly.
This gives opponents windows to rebuild or push during downtime.

4. Progressive Cost Scaling
The longer a superweapon operates, the more energy and/or metal each shot consumes, making prolonged use harder.

5. Multi-Stage Activation
Require additional linked structures to power or aim the weapon. Destroying these support units disables or weakens the superweapon.

6. Control Node System
Place "control towers" across the map that must remain active for the superweapon to function. Losing one forces downtime until repaired or rebuilt.

7. Counter-Super Options
Introduce expensive late-game counters—e.g., jamming fields, shield arrays, or temporary targeting disruptors—to make defense viable even after the superweapon is online.

8. Shared Build Requirement
The weapon cannot be built by one player alone—it requires contributions from multiple team members to complete, preventing stealth rushes.

9. Team-Control Assignment
Once built, control could:
- Automatically go to the lowest-ranked player to free top players for macro.
- Be decided by an on-screen team vote.
- Be given to the highest-ranked player for optimal use.
Regardless, the weapon is treated as a team asset.

10. Delayed First Shot
After completion, a significant cooldown before first use (e.g., several in-game minutes) gives the enemy a last chance to strike before it fires.

we must allow opinions to be concidered even if they dont bare fruit. so that it remains a safe place to make suggestions.. lets concider what he said and if its a good idea then we can benifit. calling it simply a bad idea or that players who suggest it have bad ideas does not show respect for the different preferences.

that being said i agree with madez. if rooms were bigger then it might make morse sense since players rush supers quite early but since they are now smaller i believe that allowing them to end games is a good thing too

so i personaly agree but never-the-less i understand that there will always be some people who like different things.

so ironicaly i dislike this

"Zero-K has attracted a bunch of players looking for miserable matches"

on the grounds that my preferances are not above the needs of others.. because even though i too like shorter games that can be ended.. im not more important and its not my game.


CColtManM if you can voice what you want exactly and not use chatgpt then maybe i can make it as a mod for you?

Giving the morph ability means that the user will have spare BP

would the price be increased to compensate for the cost of buildpower reduction?

or would overall the rush times of supers be buffed?

since morph uses metal this would perhaps build it faster or slower then normal but definatly cheaper

What extra BP? If you didn't use that BP to build a super, would it still be "extra"?

Also, what information would you have building a 2-part super that you wouldn't have building a 1-part super? Those are not related at all.

You're still limited by your metal income. Furthermore, in teams, morph cannot be assisted by other players via cons. They'd have to give metal to the morphing player.

I don't get this concept of "extra" build power. Nobody makes that claim about morphing mohogeos.

Mohogeos building themselves? So is this hypothetical 2 part super. It's the EXACT same mechanic. What?

yes op wants them to be like geo -> adv geo

so super base - > full super

i was worried it could be done faster then a normal super if costs are the same as the cons used to make it can finish the base then reclaim frontlines

Faster than the current of no cap at all and building a super in 10 seconds or less in speedmetal scenario vs morphing and obviously taking more time?