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Phoenix too weak now

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imo the nerf to both ae and burn time was too drastic. the burn now fades off from units pretty much instantly, which kinda destroys the initial strength(and purpose?) of it. compared to say a kodachi, the actual dps of burn damage was already low (as far as i know), but the length of the burning made it good. now its just meh. please restore the old length, keep the ae as it is now if you feel the old phoenix was too good (which i dont think, it is after all very fragile as it should be for a "raider" plane, but now the damage does no longer justify that).
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12 years ago
I think nerfing the AoE and burn at the same time was indeed too drastic.
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12 years ago
http://zero-k.info/unitstats?id=corhurc2
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12 years ago
this shows me a blank page :)
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12 years ago
Why not buff the fire duration instead? So buildings take the same damage as before, but units can run through taking some hits but not fatally. (except maybe fleas, but they don't count)
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Iirc, the fireball of the Phoenix is purely graphical fluff, isn't it? All the damage is done by the initial explosion and by the units burning to death... imho, that was big problem of the Phoenix - it's too good against light skirms and raiders, but worthless against slow-moving clusters of heavier units. The fireball buff would fix that.
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12 years ago
>the units burning to death

It sounds so awesome when you say it like that.
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12 years ago
I think it needs to be less powerful to let weak units be massed again.
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12 years ago
I think phoenix would work better if it dropped claw-esque proximity napalm mines that activate 3 seconds after being dropped, so that it could be more about area denial rather than direct damage. Or just claw mines, but then it's not very phoenix-like.

Alternatively just make the flame more damaging to walk through but remove the impact damage of being directly bombed.
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but why does it need to be weaker against small units? its after all a bomber, it only has 1 shot and it can be shot down very easily. you could already spread out your raiders to be relativly safe, and you could protect them with aa as well. if people dont spread out their units, they will fall victim to pretty much any kind of area attacks. this goes for any kind of riot unit, you might argue riots are too strong but really the only thing that can go wrong is that somebody walks his raiders right into a bunch of riots, in any other case the raiders just go someplace else and are safe.

its very similar for phoenixes actually, you can mass up weak units, as long as you spread them out the bomber can only ever hit a few of them. given the risk involved and the limited ammunation, why would you want it to hit even fewer and then maybe not even kill those that were hit? not to mention the fact that not having aa with your units is, and should remain, a bad idea. a player using light units shouldnt be able to just ignore a phoenix, he should be in great fear of beeing bombed and thus invest in aa.
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When GoogleFrog says weak units he is also refering to skirmishers like Rockos, recluse and slashers.
Skirmishers typically have to bunch up to get good concentration of fire and in order not to be subsceptible to enemy raiders.
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ok, but isnt it good that theres a counter to skirmishers? i always wondered how youre supposed to kill them, anyway. most factories have problems to kill skirmishers, unless im mistaken here and doing something terribly wrong :) so its a good thing that theres a factory thats good at it, and even then, you can just pack some tarantulas to your recluses and then napalm bomber isnt a big problem anymore. i dont see why this fine mechanic needs to be owled to the point that napalm bomber is hardly worth using anymore - its no longer good at killing swarms of units, nor is it particularly good against buildings. you will now need 2 napalm bombers to kill a single mex, you cant set on fire vast amounts of structures because they dont actually burn anymore. it was already bad at anything else.

and i may add, i just played 2 games against google in which he used napalm bombers and it was not worth it at all. he killed 1 mex in two attacks, he lost it in the second because i had aa already. he did bomb some outlaws and thugs, but since they dont burn anymore, they basically just ignored it. they took like 300 damage each(if even), thats just ridiculous for a unit that needs to reload after each shot and dies to 3 defenders. to make considerable damage to anything with phoenixes now, you will need lots and lots of them and then youre at the point where you probably just make some stilletos or a licho. you are not going to make 2 napalms so you can bomb mexes, you will make a prec bomber instead or just not do it anymore.
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12 years ago
Yea does seem owled now. The default burn time might not have been what I thought it was.
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