Please remove Chesti admin ... once again

I would like to stop my previous support for Chesti as administrator after my today's experience.

I understand when regular player jokes ("trolls") and makes fun. But when Chesti - administrator - starts chat trolling, one can never be certain, if it's a joke, or there is a kick to be awaited.

I lost it today completely, I'm not proud of it. Calling him idiot, and asking if his mother was stupid too, etc. Please mute me if appropriate, ban or anything, but also please remove Chesti administrator rights.

Ignoring constant "soft abuse" of Chesti is a terrible choice, in my opinion.

This is Chesti making fun - I accept that, I often joke too:
[13:35] Springiee [Chesti]Svatopluk I suggest watching Helwor a bit
[13:35] Springiee [Chesti]:P :P :P
...
[13:36] Springiee [DeinFreund]lol svatopluk first time air?
[13:37] Springiee [Chesti]air has no ddm, thats why

Later I resign after I saw enemy bantha, right after which I wrote my reason for resign:
[13:38] Springiee [Svatopluk]they obviously outeco us
[13:38] Springiee [Svatopluk]about 2x
[13:39] Springiee [Svatopluk]he has 2x more air, they have 2x BB, and they have bantha while we have dante
I was actually wrong, they did not have 2x better eco (was about the same), had about 3x more air (i suicided all to kill lichos), and not sure if it was 1x BB or 2x. That didnt change the fact they had bantha and we got nothing. Our team resigned a minute or two after i resigned (3v3 game, there was no point).

Now comes the Chesti troll:
[13:39] Springiee [Chesti]no spec cheat Svatopluk
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[13:40] Chesti it is spec cheat... only spectators can see all...
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[13:41] Chesti Svatopluk do not give any information about units as spectator.. thats it
...
He is obviously trolling me - like he trolls Failer, DIVO, Firepluk and others. Problem is - he is admin, and he can punish me for his made up bullshit reasons.

"Chesti way":
1) provoke, make fun
2) occasionally kick
3) you loose it, call him idiot etc
4) you get punished

I have nothing against Chesti as a player, he is actually quite funny guy, but making him admin... ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! It's like making a Firepluk administrator... or better, DIVO admin.

//EDIT: Chesti was not even playing, we had nice serious 3v3 game, he was just spectator

report he

iunno like

you said things about the gamestate as a spectator

that's spec cheating, just like chesti said

did he even modaction you? or was this just a friendly warning, like you seem to be saying it was?

the fact that there is bad blood between chesti and some players is unfortunate, but you have to ask yourself whose fault that was...

Really need a new subforum for Chesti threads...

Yet another reason to play 1v1 imo.

Honestly, it's more of a wrong action at wrong time scenario. You did however kind of screw your own team with

quote: he has 2x more air, they have 2x BB, and they have bantha while we have dante

If you said this in ally chat just before you resigned, you wouldn't have been called out for it. I'll try to explain this part here:

quote: Now comes the Chesti troll: [13:39] Springiee [Chesti]no spec cheat Svatopluk ... [13:40] Chesti it is spec cheat... only spectators can see all... ... [13:41] Chesti Svatopluk do not give any information about units as spectator.. thats it

What you said (after resigning and becoming a spectator) could be seen as speccheating. Namely:

quote: they obviously outeco us;about 2x

. Chesti could have seen the eco panel (at the time it reported 112 / 68 or something like that.. however your team was the one's with 112!) and thought "oh he's speccheating... gentle warning time" and you thought "but it's fine though!" and felt that Chesti was in the wrong. The result was you blowing up (likely from feeling internal/external frustration of some kind from the game with this perceived grievance being the trigger to set you off) and now we're in this situation.

Looking at the situation, Chesti's response could have been better by just adding "You might not think it's speccheating, but you should watch what you say after resigning please." (this is more of a response that signals the end of discussion and prevents escalation while asserting the original stance) or something along those lines, which might have just prevented the whole scenario. On the other hand, you should word your response differently. Instead of "I'm not speccheating!" (it comes off as defensive) you should say "I don't think I'm really speccheating." maybe even throw in "but I'll try to _____." Doing it this way will help prevent situations like this from occurring.

Lastly, you just have to remember what you say in all chat after you throw in the towel affects your teammates' will to continue on. That's all Chesti was trying to say.

PS:
Thank you for being mature and admitting your wrong doing. Really, that's cool that you're one of the few people who will admit fault. However, I don't think it's worth creating more drama about. So let's try to keep things civilized and turn this thread into a productive channel of communication. Instead of "lets deadmin Chesti! Behead he!" how about you focus on what specific issues you have with him and, going forward, what changes to his behavior would make you more likely to be receptive to his feedback? Like, for example:

Chesti, I feel that you _[something he does that you don't like]_ and it would be better if you __[some action he could take]__.

If anyone who has a problem with Chesti could do this, I think it would be more productive and lead to better communications between Chesti and the respondent. (In fact, you should do this to everyone who you have a problem with! It's a great method of feedback so long as you refrain from attacking words, insults (both real and perceivable), etc.)

PSS:
Let's get off this silly notion that everyone here is here to watch the world burn. Very few, if any, are here to piss anyone off on purpose. Chesti's not here to piss you off Svatopluk.

quote: the fact that there is bad blood between chesti and some players is unfortunate

Time for bloodletting then. Consider this an invitation for Chesti/People who have problems with chesti to get things off their chest in a non-hostile manner.

While it's technically spec cheat, he wasn't trying to advantage his team. Quite the opposite in fact. I do this too, when a game is obviously over, I tell my team that their eco is doubled (if it is) - because the game is genuinely over. Maybe the specifics on units is a little far, but games do go too long and some players are a lot more aware of what's going on than others. It's often the most capable players that resign first, because they're most able to read the game state. This means that as soon as they leave, any chance they did have is usually thrown out the window. Now sometimes mistakes are made. I've resigned from winnable games before - but it's less than 5% of my total resigns. Having to sit there while everyone else goes through the motions of completing an already decided match is rubbish.

I'll even tell a team where the last remaining troops are if they're being dickish about it. Burying coms etc.

Classing it as spec cheat is a generalisation born from difficulty policing spec cheat. But since this stuff is being done on a case by case basis, and presumably big teams isn't particularly competitive/serious, I don't see why we need to be iron-fist about it.

Related http://zero-k.info/Forum/Thread/22388
Just got muted for one day, for
- saying "noob" not directed at anyone particular
- calling Chesti a bitch
- starting 2 kickvotes against Chesti
- what else did I miss?
please note Chesti was actively provoking me, distrupting from a game while he was a SPECTATOR
replay(chicken game):
http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/411665

P.S. when I asked Chesti why he acts like this he said something like
"you have done this many times, so you deserved this"

Is this an appropriate administrator behavior?
I think no and many would agree.

Well at least we've got some attention to his "soft trolling" =)
Peace

quote: You also forgot calling a player "nullAI".

Now that really goes too far!