Zero-K Biweekly 9/8/17

I'll grant that I haven't been casting much ZK recently, but I'm not available for this.

quote: Also the devs over at smash.gg have actually started working on inbuilt support for chobby. Big thanks to them for all of this.

Can you elaborate?

Just to test the feasibility I've already set up a system to automatically spawn bots that'll create tournament rooms and invite players, but don't have it integrated with any online tournament tracker.

PS: I'll be offline that day.

Wait. Does that mean i need a steam-account to enter the tournament?

Also, I may have forgot to say this, but I'm not running the tournament unless 4 people sign up.

I post this comment to disrupt the chain of Qrows' posts because I think that its sad to see him post in the same thread multiple times to just have more people sign up for the tournament.

On another note: I think that one of the reasons that people are not interested in the tourney is that basically nobody plays 1v1s anymore.

quote: 9/8/17

It's good to announce events at least before their preceding weekend (as opposed to Sunday evening) so that people have a chance to see it. Also, relevant.

quote: 8PM UTC (4 PM UTC)

You incorrectly used UTC for both in the ZK post. I went to your smash.gg tourney page and it says "8 PM UTC, 4 PM EST". This is also incorrect because EST is UTC-0500. Presumably you mean EDT (the daylight saving version of EST which is being observed now) which is UTC-0400. Figure things out and update your posts.

quote: to join this chat type /j #zktourney in lobby chat.

Does this work in Chobby?

quote: All games are double elimination. All matches that aren't -final will be Bo3.

You seem to use "match" as a "set of games" so "games are double elimination" makes no sense. Presumably the tournament is double elimination.

quote: Legal Maps: Desert Needle Small Ravaged_v2 Sands of Time Obsidian_1.3 Living Lands v2.03 Iced Coffee Dual Icy Run cold_snap_v1 Altair Crossing wanderlust_V01 Hide_and_Seek_v03 Vittra_v1 Bandit_Plains_v1 DesertCliffsV1 Trojan_Hills_v02 Red Comet CCR Lonely Oasis v1.1

Why Obsidian 1.3 when there's already 1.5? Why the inconsistent specification (no version for Desert Needle, no full CCR)? Also, line breaks.

quote: Who bans first is decided by a coin flip/RPS.

Who decides between coinflip vs RPS? Who flips the coin and how do you ensure it is fair? How do you make sure the RPS is simultaneous?

quote: Winner bans two, then loser bans two. Process repeats until there are three maps left. Winner then picks a map out of the three remaining. For future games within that set winner bans three maps and loser picks from remaining maps.

If first map is picked from a pool of 3, the winner banning 3 for the second pick results in a pool of 0. Does the pool go back to the original 18 (so the loser picks from 15)? If so, what's the point of the firstpicker banning anything in the first pick if the other guy doesnt even get to pick before the pool resets?

Regular tournaments seem too troublesome to organize and participate in. Players' age groups and time zones are too spread out.

If the idea is to have more people regularly playing 1v1, I'd improve the ways for people to call more players to their custom games without having to ask through the chat (even if they generate chat messages, like /promote), or to join the matchmaker.

ZK has matchmaker and 1v1 ladder, why not try to incentivize people to play more of it? There could be awards given to whoever holds the top positions at the end of each month.

quote: Its a bi weekly, I don't expect that many people to show up for the first one anyways. Also, I've never seen anyone ever write dates like that, which is probably why I don't.

If this goes well I'd recommend making it more of a league format, where every week you get some amount of "league points" for standings (likely in a swiss format), and the highest 8 or so do a final bracket tournament. This sort of thing would take time to build momentum, but if pushed right would help 1v1 play become more popular.

Also, date formats like 2017/09/08 are pretty standard in computer stuff (they are the easiest to sort. Also, the ISO standard cited in the linked comic allows for separators other than '-') and fairly clear. Even if it is unfamiliar to you, it's clearest to everyone else.

quote: If you type those maps without version specification in lobby it will autopull latest version.

I'm with Sprung on this one. A consistent format for map names is much friendlier than a weird mix, especially since there aren't line breaks or a proper list format (at least on Firefox). I get that some maps are unversioned, and for those ones not having a version number at the end makes sense, but as long as the name format is consistent and all the names can be copy/pasted into the "/map" command, it will work. Also, specifying version has the added benefit of making any archival reviewing of earlier tournament rulesets and mapsets easier.

quote: This is the first freaking tournament and I already have people picking the damn ruleset apart, jesus.

It's your fourth tournament (at least). Also, people will pick the ruleset apart, since clarity in rulesets is paramount to running a tournament smoothly.

nice to see this given a go, bit late notice initially, ill try to get up at 6am saturday to participate.

as for chobby intergration, im sure things have been discussed..but maybe a small "countdown to next tourney: 1 day 03mins" block? ..or something... maybe goes red and flashes with a few hours to go...Just something to remind people, with link to signup, thread etc

4hundred is signed up, looks like we will have tournament (although if the tournament is at 4PM edt it should be 9PM UTC+0)

Also isn't the MM reward kinda being on the ladder?

I have a league idea but it isn't quite finalized yet.