Eco-focused role in large team games

Which game in particular are you refering to?

A 5v5? I don't think a eco role would fit for that small of a game in my opinion.

"Eco focused" isnt realy a thing,

while its obv ok to spend more metal on eco than combat elements some seem to think that "eco focused" means you do nothing but building eco (energy) the entire game, this whole progress can be achieved in a minute using shift commands, so you can just "automate" your eco and have your apm be free.

If you play eco resource heavy you should always atleast have a "2. role" be it scouting with air/widows, scythe raiding or maybe a small group of precise artilllery, whatever it may be a good fraction of apm should always be used in a more interactive way with the battlefield because apm wise "eco" takes close to nothing.

Also fighting for mexes is technically ecoplay as well.

You imply not building singus in back = feeding metal, this is not a certain truth, building only(!) eco (singu) is objectively bad feeding metal to the frontlines is an ok price to improvement

Skel, maybe you need to play with 2023 before making that assessment ;)

The simplest solution to this would be if you could convince your team to most/all have a single con (possibly even on low priority) assist one of yours, all assisting the same, and that one con queues energy buildings...

That way the team pitches in, stuff gets built quickly and only one of them is built at a time, ramping energy income ealier and steadily.



But that would require everyone's cooperation. A common point for lost games is a large number of players in a team caps mexes near them and then have their con assist their fac for the rest of the game without making more E. The early game goes great, but the enemy eventually holds the low cost spam and using E, reclaims and pushes back.

After playing eco, and watching eco I think there is a major difference between good eco and bad eco... (eco vs sim city as others say).
In small teams <6v6, an eco player is often bad, as the front collapses. Then we have eco players who eco badly... like building 3 fusions while building a singu....

as for 2023, playing 2 games where he went afk at the start, only to hover around and unafk every so often... yea that was annoying

"Eco" player is not a thing that requires 100% of your apm. Eco + reclaiming stuff @ front + dealing with scythes + patching OD grid + getting antinukes in time + getting BB's/zenith going + managing stationary AA that could keep a person occupied. Arguably, you'd want to go cloaky or spiders for spammable anti-infiltration units. In a proper lobpot an air player is typically the only one ever looking at the entire map, but air player typically has to dedicate all the income towards air control. So ye, having a ground based ally to handle "zoomed out" aspects of the game could be nice.

I think the important takeaway is that Ecoing in ZK doesnt need all your attention, you could probably queue up the entire eco of a team in the first few minutes of the game, since nothing can change really about optimal positioning of singus and pylons.

Its best to use your apm in low resource high apm things, like widows, a few cloaked bombs, (low unitcount) impaler micro, scythes, screening and probably other things ive forgotten

smaller matches in general should be played "textbook" rts style (only exception being a team rush of something cheap like scorp/dante/revs). Only in larger matches should players go for more funny trolls :D