it was the teamates fault

some good counter arguments made here i guess clown trolling is not the same as failing and new players are not the actual main problem. from what i gather its the firepluck syndrome of rushing big units that leaves a team struggling until they finish. and even if/when they do finish a bad micro makes striders or super-weapons loose the impact they may have had.. i have never seen a noob gift Godde a detriment. and Godde doesn't make detriments so sadly i never seen him use one.

what about edge cases like making berthas behind a hill so they cant shoot anything or porc in the base while they abandon front.. these actions may seem selfish/dumb because they are.. but they are also not the actions of skilled players and proove they are still noobs even high rank noobs exist. failing in ways that seem obvious to us is probably always going to be a part of any game. and if they really are noobs forever and that may very well be because they wont ever listen.. what choices do we have but to accept what they are. unless you want to ban them..

if they were in a room sitting next to you playing LAN doing all these things including ignoring all communication i still think it would be abusive to chase them out of the room with a broom yelling 'bad player.. bad' because these are not pets peeing on the floor. they are people and for some making a zenith at minute 1 is the power trip they crave to save there own worlds from the crushing misery of feeling unremarkable. in a way to them it may even be a life death situation of ego self preservation that prevents them contemplating there own failings for fear of facing facts. this game is very hard and big robots make it seem like your wining even if your only retaking territory lost because you made a strider. atleast when noobs make big units they dont tend to feed as much.

i do sympathize that games are won and lost because of these players.. unless something can be done to limit the availability of striders/super weapons it will remain the most delicious of noob baits

i do also notice a strong truth in what you say.. to the notion of players refusing to listen to advice.. and then as the situation becomes more derisive antagonistic self absorbed defensive berating condescending hostile callous .... thought about adding 400 more words to describe war of hate.. then decided if i did i would also hate myself

its just never going to happen that we all get along

i thought love was an idea we all understood.. 'that we dont want others to suffer' and i had hoped that everyone motivated by that would become a happy family.. but zero k is now a broken home.. with the same dynamics of modern society.. complete with snobs who horde all the metal and beggars who sit useless robbing metal.. and of course police (admins) who violently beat the criminals and noobs

not to mention the drug addicts addicted to zenith rush

i like the idea of placing big posts in spoiler to save time..

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im always sending Godde 1 energy when he has estall then realizing i have no energy because my commander died or my power or something.. never mind if i loose my com i have no energy so i couldn't even send 1.. some how it doesn't matter where he is unless he encased in faradays he will die

i think there is a syntax that allows mouse over pop up text boxes

"BUT MY SINGU RUSH IS THE ONLY REASON WE WERE ABLE TO LAST THIS LONG"
- Really helpful when the enemy has already cornered us into the map, good luck overdriving 6 mexes.
- Odin & Silo.

"BUT MY LAND SCYLLA IS THE ONLY REASON WE KILLED THEIR FRONT CERB/BERTHA/WHATEVER"
- There wouldn't be a cerb/bertha/whatever to begin with.
- If the enemy insists you just make a regular silo, kill, and reclaim it when you're done if there's nothing else worth killing.

"BUT MY LAND SCYLLA KILLED 2 OF THEIR SINGUS"
- You think singu matters when you could have cornered the enemy into the edge of the map in the beginning of the game?
- You think you wouldn't be able to just make a regular silo in range of their singus with the extra ground you have?

"BUT MY DETRI KILLED ENEMY SUPER"
- Game is already doomed most likely if the enemy has a super and the only thing you have to show for it is a Detriment.
- If your detri was invested into the front the super would be in silo range and disabled.
- 8/10 times it fails and the only reason it sometimes works is because the level 2 noob that built it gave it to the purple player.
- Detri always dies, and, if you didn't know, Detri Reclaim + Super Reclaim = another SW in less than 5 minutes.
- patrician will resurrect both Super and your Detriment with his 12k athena ball.

"BUT IM BAD AT THE GAME, I WILL ONLY FEED THE ENEMY TEAM"
- Not the way to learn the game nor play it as a team, you are only after your own enjoyment here.
- No one has a problem with people learning, they do however have a problem with people not even trying.

"BUT BIG UNITS ARE MUCH MORE FUN"
- Zero-k teams is not your personal robot sandbox.
- Your team would also have a lot more fun if they didn't need to carry you and your toys around.

I have made Nukes and started Supers yes, the difference between an experienced player and a noob doing it is:
- They don't rush Nuke / Super / Strider without eco.
- They have a good reason to.
- They don't join a game knowing "OH BOI I WANNA MAKE DETRI THIS GAME" and will adapt to what the enemy does.
- They see more eco wouldn't pay back in time.
- If it's a Nuke / Super they usually communicate with the team what they are doing and are open to feedback.
- PEOPLE GENERALLY FEEL LIKE THEY ARE NOT PLAYING A TEAM GAME JUST FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL ENJOYMENT.