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Phoenix napalm killing subs

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2 months ago
Phoenix can bomb subs... it looks really dumb and makes no sense.

https://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/1991391
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2 months ago
Have to agree with Tech here, this should not happen.
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it feels counter intuitive yeah but if you need a way to forgive it then see bellow.

Perhaps there is an oxidizer mixed into the propellant.

Thermite: A mixture of metal powder (usually aluminum) and metal oxide (such as iron oxide). When ignited, thermite burns at extremely high temperatures and can even burn underwater. It's not a gel like napalm but is used in some specialized applications.

Magnesium: When magnesium is burned, it produces an intense white flame and can burn underwater. It's used in underwater cutting and welding, although it requires careful handling due to its intense reaction with water.

Calcium Phosphide: This substance reacts with water to produce phosphine gas, which is highly flammable. While not exactly like napalm, it does produce a flammable reaction in water.

Petrol and Diesel with Additives: Certain formulations can maintain flammability underwater, but their effectiveness and safety can vary.
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2 months ago
That's all true about napalm, but subs are UNDER water, not just below the surface. So it's just not possible to burn them
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2 months ago
You guys arent taking into consideration how litte air has to deal with ships, to kill a sub without that as an option you have to use a likho and manually target the water. You still need the high micro to use the phoenix as a sub killer and the subs have a much bigger window to dodge as apposed to normal ground units
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2 months ago
Don't forgot that napalm can burn at moon :3
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2 months ago
Where the subs in shallow water?
There is a bug if the subs were set on fire.
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2 months ago
Surface AoEs hitting subs seems intended. Phoenix bombs having AoE seems intended. Phoenix bombs igniting units they hit, including underwater ones, seems intended.

Underwater units are supposed to quickly self-extinguish, but perhaps getting re-ignited by a new Phoenix bomb every simulation-tick might give the illusion they're not self-extinguishing properly.
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2 months ago
Phoenix just boils the water and that hurts the subs, seems fairly reasonable to me.
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Phoenix just boils the water and that hurts the subs, seems fairly reasonable to me.


Put a fork or anything else made of steel into a bot of boiling water and tell me how long it takes for the metal to start disintegrating...

That aside, I agree that it looks weird at the first glance, but as SmokeDragon and the others said, there is enough stuff that can burn under water. Its just unintuitive.


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You guys arent taking into consideration how litte air has to deal with ships, to kill a sub without that as an option you have to use a likho and manually target the water.


Definitely find this weirder, so either Likho or Likjo and Phoenix can target things under water, but Ravens can't? I dont even know about Thunderbird, Odin, Magpie. At the risk of playing parrot, I think air is powerful enough already, so at least it should not be able to damage submarines without a specific torpedo-launcher, which I am sure we do not need.
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submarines are not spaceships and are built to withstand external pressure not internal pressure

ravens are great vs water but may require targets to be spotted first by sonar.
you are correct that a fork will withstand temprature < 100c the vapor point of water all the way up to 1500c where they start get shake with fear

but perhaps the submarine contains gas (unless it has no internal atmosphere)

when gasses are heated they expand and given the water is boiling and likley not providing an opposing force the submarines may be experiencing forces they are not designed to contain

of course this would all make allot more sense if huge clouds of steam bellowed out from the napalm hitting water
hydrothermal vents on earth are about 350 celcius and are concidered dangerous

submarines have internal fire fighting capabilites but never the less fires are a big problem in contained inviroments as the heat has nowhere to escape so depending on the fuel and presence of oxygen fires can quickly reach the flashpoint of steel.. you also cant just spray water on the fire for too long or you will fill the vesel with superheated steam

and since steam is invisible (unless its deconpressing or condensing) but can still kill the crew in 3 horrific ways (drown , burn and crush) its very dangerous
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2 months ago
Zenith can control meteors... it looks really dumb and makes no sense.
Enormous walking robot?... it looks really dumb and makes no sense.
Disruptors can slow things (how it even works???)... it looks really dumb and makes no sense.
Making different things from single type of metal... it looks really dumb and makes no sense.
Disintegrator gun??? what kind of crazy nonsense is it

Leave little phoenixes alone please
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