Why you should not take elo serious

Superinteressting interblog post!

Look at this player:

1700 elo, thats above average right?

So how comes a 1700 elo player plays like that:


Ok, he was new back then.
He plays better now but still his base usually looks like this:

and he does not play very good. As in, if he makes units they are randomly selected and die in 5 seconds. (after standing around in base for minutes)
No personal offense to the dude, the point is he is not "1700 elo good."

Normally he has ~1300 elo but he likes to play the DOTA mode.
A dozen games of DOTA easily get him 400 elo, as one match can be "worth" 25+

B116812 2 on ShevaV2
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So maybe keep that in mind the next time you complain about "bad team balance."
elo calculation is 50% nonsense so just because the elo-sums in two teams are equal, does not mean the players are similiar good.

"But I dont play DOTA or other lolgames! My elo is pure!"
Maybe you dont. But maybe you played vs someone who does.
So when you win vs such player with inflated elo, your elo is now inflated too.

All the elo is infected by nubgames and trololo.
A good thing to remember when you refuse to play a game because "other team has 200 more elo."

we just had a big discussion about teambalancing:
http://zero-k.info/Forum/Thread/3477

It is not about dota but essentially the same problem. To summarize, Licho doesnt see a major need for it, so case pretty closed.

Elo inflation from lolgames and 1x1/teamgame separation are slightly different, no?

quote: The only problem I see with adding a 1v1 elo, and maybe a "silly maps"-elo and dota-elo too, is where to show them. But that's just semantics imo.

Solution is obvious: hide elo once and for all.

the definition of lolgame is that outcome is pretty random... i'm pretty sure you can't inflate/deflate your elo by playing a large number of games on trololo, with large teams.

Its obviously not the same for DOTA. Now imagine some player with an unwarranted 1700 yelling at a good player that is 1600, telling him what to do because he has more ELO. (purely fictional situation...)

quote: 1v1 is to easy to farm elo in.

What?

Biggest ELO inflator was planetwars and all these mentioned "issues" are so ZERO compared to PW elo inflation, usually good clan-stack players gets way bigger elo than they are worth and still gets good teammates.

I remember first or so PW season I played as "clanless", so it always "balanced" me to random nabs team - it was horrifying experience whole page was red of loses, and always same people would win...

At least we can remove Elo from the Dota mod.I many times lost like 100-200 elo because of that mod.But you get your elo verry fast up if you end up in good teams because of your low elo:D.So low elo for players who know what to do with it doesn;t stay long.I think is the same for Bigmaverik, only in contrary.

I feel this is basically an oversight. DoTA is not the same game and should clearly not share elo.

sprang Well, I dont care enough (besides the fact that I have zero coding skill). Now I actually think most people dont play dota mods and 1v1 or good 1v1'ers who dont play teamgames if it decreases their elo and e-peen. So while the problem is valid in theory, in practise it is minor.
I recently got my elo down in 1v1 and I like it. I can play every gamemode and unbalanced game without having to care about e-peen. So I am now in favor of keeping elo as it is.