PW must be super beta.

Also the planet wars host, you cannot !move Springiee, or any other votes in it. so it is difficult to get people into normal games. Please disable when you are not testing PW. (Since it is still UBER beta, IMHO)

quote: Balance is fucked (doesn't exist) and is easily exploited. 3 nubs vs 3 pros is imba. The problem is if people are not evenly matched, then the games become stagnant with the same allies together vs the same other team (which can cause the same results if games are imba)

This round is far more competitive than previous rounds and it was intended that recruiting good teams be part of PW.

quote: (currently no way to back out of your possition of attack/defend without closing the client).

I see this as a problem. Being able to remove your attack/defense team place would be good for better coordination.

Another battle can start as soon as challenge is accepted -> there is no limit on max simultaneous games. I have seen 3-4 PW games at once..

Only depends on number of players willing to attack/defend..

quote: We must also block this free roaming of players from one faction to another, you choose a faction and you keep it until the end.

B-b-but then how am I supposed to be repeatedly jumping to the losing faction?

quote: Also only 2 factions seems a bit riductive for me

The current factions are already lacking active players. More factions would probably worsen the situation. More factions would also need more rules to define how the metagame handles everything.

PW is NOT for new players.
PW is NOT for people who don't care about winning.
PW is NOT for people who put blame on others.
PW is NOT for people who cannot work with others.
PW is NOT for people who cannot bear defeat.
PW is NOT for people afraid to fight against the odds.
PW is NOT for pussies.


Deal with it, maybe PW is not for you, but you cannot just force all others to do as you want and play 10v10 clusterfuck with you.

If half the player base wants to play planet wars, then the other half will be stuck either playing 5V5 non-clusterfuck games, or spectating the planet wars games. We need more players, because people like the 10v10s and 5 people in a faction won't cut it to my likeing. We need more players. Why do DotA and LoL have hundreds of times more players than ZK?

I'd prefer to play 2v2/3v3 planetwars games all the time over 10v10 fusterclucks. Less lag, more actual skill involved.

You can't force me to play your 10v10 fusterclucks just because you like those better.


Is there a way to hide the planetwars specators room from the lobby? This might prevent newbies from joining and never realizing no games are going to start. If you want to spec a planetwars game, you can then wait for one to start and join that, then you'll be moved along to the hidden spectators lobby afterwards.
This way there are no visible giant rooms of people seemingly waiting to start a 10v10.

reminds me of a game I watched where someone spent a whole game whining about balance, purposely trolled his team mates, and said that the fact that they couldn't win while he was doing things to make it harder for the team to win proved the balance. then swapped factions right after- lol.
imho, even playing poorly is better than not only not trying, but bragging about not trying

Licho "PW is NOT for new players.
PW is NOT for people who don't care about winning.
PW is NOT for people who put blame on others.
PW is NOT for people who cannot work with others.
PW is NOT for people who cannot bear defeat.
PW is NOT for people afraid to fight against the odds.
PW is NOT for pussies."


Steel-blue "If half the player base wants to play planet wars, then the other half will be stuck either playing 5V5 non-clusterfuck games, or spectating the planet wars games. We need more players, because people like the 10v10s and 5 people in a faction won't cut it to my likeing. We need more players. Why do DotA and LoL have hundreds of times more players than ZK? "

If 5v5 is what is left to play, that would be ideal. But sadly that is rarely the case.

Personally i think PW has great potential to be a great addition to the ZK universe. But it requires a larger player base, and a ton of fine tuning to make it materialize as such.

Licho is correct that PW is not for new players.

So when a new player logs on, and players are in the PW host, where !move, !start, and all other cmd's are disabled, where is the push/incentive to get them to switch to the team hosts. Players flock to where other players are.

And the way the PW functions is it takes precedence over all other games.

My actions the other days as towards the PW games, was that since there was no other hosts with players in them, all that was left to play was PW.

And since i view it as beta, i decided to do a little "beta testing" and began to show the problems and shortfalls of the current PW system.

I want this game to flourish, and for it to have hundreds of players. For there to be many choices for the games that people can play, tiers for players (easy,med,hard), and for an involved planet wars campaign for the more experienced players (like licho has claimed it is for).

But sometimes you might try and do to much to early, and kill what you have...

Dancer if people "flock to" PW instead of 10v10 host, maybe it is because, like most replies in this thread seem to indicate, people prefer those types of games?

You have 830 games played, you're not even a newbie, try playing smaller games and maybe you'll how to play properly without leeching off allies in big team games. Once you do, you will learn to enjoy small games more.