Sonar

I believe sonar was in fact explicitly rebalanced, far more recently than the rebalancing to "include more submerged units".

Whether it was balanced well, whether submerged units are balanced well, and whether sonar is a good idea at all are different questions.

if felt sonar was too expensive way back when it was 75(?) metal for slightly-below-radar range. this was when there was less surface to sub interaction tho, and urchins lacked sonar afaik, so the necessity to have a sonar was greater then.

still i feel sonar should not be significantly more expensive than radar, and it probably would be easiest to just have it integrated in sea-built radar stations.

i dont see the whole concept add anything but a nuisance to the game. finding units underwater is like poking in the dark, especially on vast water areas. you may or may not stumble into your opponents underwater units, you dont really have much control over it.

#nerf

I absolutely agree that sonar needs cost reduction, somewhere around 100m is fine.

You'd have to be insane to pay the current price for sonar, it's just not worth it.

Well, if every (liek, srsly EVERY) unit that is either undderwater unit or can fire at underwater units had build-in sonar euqling its range, then big sonar would be quite redundand.. and it coudl stay at 450...

Technically, some don't.[Spoiler]
All of these ranges are super low though.

Yeah, I don't really get why duck has such a low range underwater. It's basically a melee unit.

Aren't torpedoes already cylindrical?

They are but ducks take long to aim

So this is similar to Screamers not being able to hit Space Athena.