make caretaker eco shared via whole team

spamming caretakers in a team game is very toxic and leads to a unbalanced game.
caretaker spammer is only black hole for metal until it might pay back after 20 min or so when usually over half of map is lost.

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great so everyone should play sim city and we compare "screenshots" how large it is etc?

Yes. I am not against removal. :)

There are arguments against both Removal and Sharing so here's a recap:

Sharing:
* does not touch FFA. In FFA, con income can help make comebacks which is fun. [Spoiler]
* keeps the total team income unchanged (in all modes). This helps smooth the economy and makes things slightly cheaper, changing it would affect the pace of the game.
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Removal:
* removes exponential economy. Exponential economy encourages the user to keep recycling the income back into creating even more income. Compare to overdrive which provides diminishing returns with square root.
* removes non-territorial economy. Overdrive incentivizes people to fight for territory and take care to link grids while nanofarms can be stacked in a corner.
* does not require a performance-heavy gadget to poll cons and distribute their income.
* improves purity. Income is effectively Metalmaker Sidearm - cons already provide buildpower so providing tiny amounts of metal and energy is none of their business: that's what mexes and energy generators are for. Buildpower can already be changed into other resources through reclaim.

^ spam shield/tank cons and storages, steal the reclaim of dead useless shit that teammates produced before someone else does (reclaim is 100% private)

I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure eco was never 100% private. If someone spend most of game sitting at back making eco, it is still beneficial to the team but gives enough private eco for individuals to branch ahead in tech.

You can call it "being a useless shit" but that doesn't mean it isn't a legitimate and good strategy, if someone techs to nuke, he is pretty useless for most of game but if team can hold out the nuke will often straight up win.

Of course there is still reclaim but that is kind of a different matter entirely, it's not something you can rely on having, it's situational.

Feels like the whole concept of teching up has been removed from ZK with that change tbh. As somebody who liked to just focus on eco in team games, feels like that play style is basically dead and shitty caretaker spam is the new alternative which nobody really wants.

overdrive eco in team games isnt dead, its much more efficient than nano spam. if you are on a halfway decent team it does not hurt too bad that you have to share returns, if you arent good yourself its actually better for the team.

quote: Feels like the whole concept of teching up has been removed from ZK

i think that was the whole point from the beginning, because sitting in base and teching/porcing makes for boring games.

In my opinion the best solution is to revert the economy changes and make overdrive 35% private, 65% shared. This way everyone is happy. IIRC it was 75% private, 25% shared before the change.

I personally would love to see a return of the old singu farms.

@_Shaman nice that u like exploding singu farms and good old days. True they changed economy because team had nothing from the back sitter rushing a game changer while team gets pushed back by enemy team because enemy invested metal in fight units. Now rushing a singu is kinda good too, because it helps team economy, yes TEAM economy not single person economy which is kinda 0 metal for team if he doesn't bring units to front.
Same with caretaker farms.... for me it could stay but its a team game not a SimCity team game or such and u didn't write anything to that egotrip argument.

quote: team game

The change has not brought better team gameplay. It's great you have this illusion of a perfect world where everyone plays at a perfect level, but in practice it will never happen. Everyone has different playstyles, some people are better off at eco than frontline fighting. And you may not see it but it is sometimes better for the entire team for some newbie to be ecoing rather than fighting.

quote: egotrip argument.

What? The argument is for a compromise between the old and new systems. Honestly, some of the income should be private. Practically speaking, you'll never have perfect cooperation between teammates and not everyone will be motivated to play as a team player. With some private income, you can at least mitigate this human factor.

Complete sharing of income is a good idea on paper, but in practicality, it's more frustrating than rewarding. It means more coordinating, means less individual productivity and means more raging. If you have to spend 90% of the game coordinating everyone, it's bound to devolve into an unenjoyable mess.

With 35-65, there's still enough incentive for someone to make e and enough return for the frontliners to not be as pressured because someone decides to play sim city.