Toad

The solution I'd go with is just a high-damage high-cooldown missile, to give it burst AA capabilities in addition to its slow-damage ones.

Something like a gravity turret would be.. innovative? It would fit with the Jumpbot theme of just generally being weird. Not sure how practical an air-exclusive gravity turret would be as AA though.. It seems like it has two options: generally useless for actually killing, but the push is just strong enough to knock it off target.. Or, the pull is strong enough that you put a stardust and a toad for unbeatable local AA.

lol toad is like the big gremlin except that gremlin has more dps and can actually hit stuff

the long range gun on the toad is useless if we add slow to it it might become the ultimate AA though.

my suggestion is to reduce cost on chainsaw to 800 to showcase how all mobile AA is meaningless by comparison.
Most mobile AA has such short range and speed that if your pushing and forget your AA 400 elmos behinde main army you can get rekt by air in 3 secounds.

and you need at the very least 5 of them to even be remotely effective vs Air at that point might as well make artemis/2chainsaws which covers half the map in AA that effectively shuts down air for ever. while 5-6 mobile AA units cost nearly as much and die easily because they need to be with the main army and are a apm sink and constant babysit target while you make a chainsaw and you dont need apm for it to be effective.and even with the apm in mind chainsaw is just more cost efficient.

All mobile AA is nearly useless imo the mobility is nice sure but for the cost of mobility that you cant use because air is just more mobile why even make them? why must i pay for 2 mobile AA units as much as a chainsaw when the chainsaw just does everything better

Toad does not exist in isolation, though. It exists in a factory where almost every unit is brutal flex-AA:

- Puppy is epic point-defense against bombers, especially dive bombers like Raven, as well as most gunships if it can close the distance. Cylinder range means you can't hide in the sky from the dogs of war.

- Pyro can jump, set units on fire, and does quite a lot of damage. This is considered mediocre in Jump as far as flex-AA goes.

- Moderator. Do i even need to say anything? Slow, alpha, decent range, perfect accuracy. Flying into a bunch of these as any kind of air is resignable most of the time.

- Placeholder. Traps gunships and planes (or used to, idk if nerfed now) about as brutally as Newtons do.

- Jugglenaut. #1 solution to point-defense against Likhos, pretty much guarantees that at least one bomber of any raid is not coming back if it's trapped by attractive gravity.

- Constable. Even the freaking constructor can contribute to anti-air (albeit only in support role).

- Jack and Skuttle are unique in not being good at flex. inb4 mojjj jumps into the convo to mention his stunts like killing krow with skuttle.

So given all these options, when do you even need Toad at all? That's when you fight something that can escape the puppy and pyro while outranging Moderator and Placeholder and not coming into range of Jugglenaut to be torn to shreds (including when Jugg jumps in your face to rapidly close distance). This something is uniquely the Nimbus.

And that is is what Toad does in the lineup. Maybe it should do more, idk, but i think it's important to consider everything else around it before you buff jump even further.

quote: who will get a moderator or puppy to counter air when you have other land units to deal with?

Toad: does nothing to other land units, but passable vs most air
Moderator: pwns most other land units while also passable vs most air

I'm unsure why you want to pick Toad in this particular situation.

quote: What's the point of having Toad if it's only useful against Nimbus

Not losing to Nimbus sounds like quite a point to me. Like the point of Constable having a little amount of real dps is Jump not losing to Flea. Not necessarily the most elegant thing, but hey, it works.

Note that it's also not useless against other air. It's just not even needed. It's only more useful against Nimbus compared to other jumpbots because they have no problems with the other air anyway IME.

if all jj are flex aa and toad is the most uselessly expensive AA might as well remove it from the game if its pourpese its eclipsed by even the flex AA

Here's a suggestion, although take it with a pinch of salt that I have no idea how broken this might be or not.

What if instead of continuous fire, Toad did a huge amount of burst damage (think 10-20 homing missiles) and then had a long reload time? It might be useful enough to protect units against major airstrikes and / or give them enough time to get back into ground AA cover. Or it might break air, idk.

I've always thought of toad as best aa but it's not, is it?, it's garbage, ESP for cost. Jumping away when at threat is nice however.

The coolest\unique thing about toad is the AA gatt gun, I think make that more potent, more bullets, dps, make it shred similar to hvy aa and ditch the gremlin attachment.

I am with 4hundred. Subtract the Anti-Air Laser Battery and add the DPS to the better ranged Anti-Air Autocannon.

yeah the gat gun is totally useless it also missses most shots at long range