When would you build a newton

Other than cheese with ramps or cheese trapping likhos I don't think I know much uses to Newton. Now that I think about it it could be a good defense on the hill to counter hermits pushing them off the cliff as they climb. The problem is it's pretty expensive, has low hp and low range (jugglenaut has much higher as far as I recall).

Actually I've checked now and comparing to lotus it is:
90 vs 200 cost
460 vs 460 range
765 vs 2000 hp

Looks like my memories were biased with how uneffective it felt to use.

I think it would be much more effective if it came with its own spire like Lotus does, also it has the same proble mas Jugglenaut does: microing has much more potential than just idle state thanks to chaning push/pull. I wonder how AI with some simple rules like push when too close/pull when too far with hysteresis (say 25%/75% range triggers) would work.

Another idea is to let it have more range but make impulse fall off with range like heatray does... and like gravity does.

@edit: Also I had a thought... maybe newton is left alone because it would be cancerous to play against a good and functional Newton?

Back when the server was located in Canada, I made a widget AI that automated newtons. The results were.. pretty silly. Newton towers were able to fend off assaults, and became a forest of cancer. I've since tried to repair the ai, but with the 600ms latency, I don't think I'll be able to do much. Commands simply take too much time to send.

Newtons are the #1 turret for games with zombie mode. They push away all manner of zombie units that hopefully go away to bother somebody else. They also help things like stinger kill zombies out of range so that you dont get a jack respawning right in base.

Other than that, dunno. I don't use them much. Maybe I ought to. As a porc-lover supreme I really should explore their use :D

quote: Would be better for pulling but worse for pushing (pushing units against the ground wastes the force).

We could have it transform! Tall when pulling, short when pushing!

quote: on another note: use newtons to push your bombers offmap in a rectangular direction (relative to map border) and let them fly a long ass circle offmap to bypass any screamer-stuff and desingularize the back. zomg-moment on enemy team is guaranteed.

- did you mean perpendicular?

Whoa I didn't see anyone do it yet. This kinda adds to my point that Netwon is used only as a gimmick. I like gimmicks though :3

Also for some reason I wish to test Newton that's inside gauss model so it is tanky and has similar range.

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I've noticed that (like the old Archer) they work better on certain maps where you can push assault units into holes (titan dual) or water (obsidian?) or into deep trenches (trojan hills). Occasionally, if you have an aggressive Cbot player with hordes of Glaives, they can he helpful for defending a firebase ... until the missiles and napalm come out lol as shown in the video below...

Would be nice if having multiple Newton’s firing from different directions actually caused crushing/tearing damage

Please don't remember me about newtons, I have lost too many strategies and tactics while using newtons. And now it's just a throwing weapon and nothing more...

No more space skuttles
No more space scout fleas
No more blastwing bullets
No more bullet krows
No more space valk that was dropping skuttles from the air

Let's just remove the newton because right now it doesn't have accuracy (intentional nerf) and it will never send units in the same spot even if you use widgets and even you make the perfect conditions. Giving it variability when aiming at units in the same location and throwing them in different areas will remain the worst decision in zero-k newton nerf.

grrr if it just had more health omg whats its role

i would build a newton:

as counter to jacks.
as counter to bombers.
if i want to be an annoyance.
if i want to use it to send allied units over cliffs to teamkill and get warned.