Magpie spam

I don't know, it seems quite bad, especially if opponents are wise to the tactic and build AA with AoE damage like Threshers or Artemis. Nearly every time I see a ball of Magpies go in, it sheds more value than it kills and delivers all reclaim to its target. Have any players of Silver rank or above had good experiences with spamming them?

To me, it seems like the Magpie is best used against targets it can one-shot or two-shot, I.e. a group of raiders that have leaked through the lines into base, or against early pushes. You don't need a swarm of them to do this, and I'll always prefer a Likho to 9 Magpies because it's ultimately more survivable as long as you don't forget about it.

In the odd game where players make mid cost unit spam (mainly skirmishers) magpie deal just enough damage to 1 or maybe 2shot them and can make cost very quickly.

However in teams all welcome players rarely make skirmishers. It's usually a few if any raiders at all into either expensive assaults (like minotaur) or riots, which are beefier than skirms and typically require more shots. Magpies perform significantly worse vs those.

Any large amount of spam that suddently appears in a specific part of the map can deal a good amount of damage. Some players make enough magpies to fly by and instantly kill cyclops and krows.

That's all the positive side I can see so far.

The negative side is that due to certain players essentially plopping gunships and rushing revenants every game, both sides constantly have a lot of AA immediately. That gives any air a short window to be very effective and operate mostly unchecked. After that, you need either likho (fast and moderate HP) or krow (slow but very tanky) to be able to dive over the front and pick off enemy units. Anything else gets instantly vaporized.

The most attentive players can find good targets with a mid size flock of phoenix for a good part of the game.

The few players that mass tons and tons of magpies are usually super passive, like almost asleep at the keyboard. Then they take their GIANT flock and hit one point of the map, which has AA but rarely enough to handle 30+ magpies jumping out of nowhere. If you're controlling the magpies you might think you're doing good, but what is actually happening is your fleet woth thousands in metal was just hovering the base doing nothing while the team was already winning, and then you flew in to deal a killing blow on an already weakened position.

If that metal was spent supporting a part of the front earlier, the match would have been far easier for your allies.

How many times have we seen the magpie spammers get called to respond to a single odin flying towards a singu and just watch that odin reach its target?

Magpie spam is just one more strategy to add to the pile of things that work because my team was already winning.


If TAW was not so conditioned to getting AA so early every game because of gunships and if players in general were more aggressive and reliant on small cost units (like 1v1 matches typically go) magpies would have a longer effective lifespan and a wider pool of targets.

pigeon swarm strat

Magpie spam can be used very well in the right matches. Ive gotten tons of air awards using magpie only. Theres just a small pool of units its VERY effective against, till you get 50 of em. Compared to phoenix and Raven they are 10x easier to keep alive vs conventional AA so they rack up fast. Also probably the only useable unit vs artemis other then odin

I think there is a little bit of trickery in how Magpie players get feedback.

Magpies seem to keep their value and not get destroyed. You could attribute this to high health and standoff range.
I would attribute it to if im fighting a Ruru team its cheaper to just take the Magpie hits than it is to make a chainsaw.

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I mean if you know you're literally fighting a team of rurus then you spam ettins, amove them to into the enemy base and go grab a beer.

But if you're trying to imply that tanking magpie hits is cheaper than building countermeasures, you are wrong. I can show you games, not many I will admit, where a flock of 20+ magpies pick off enough small units that they each end up making cost. It's not too hard to imagine. Magpie is a functional unit.

When it was first released and the reload time was even longer, on my first game spamming them to try out, they were insanly effective.


It has more to do with the fact that the current magpie spammers are just very, very, very, very passive. Very.