fix gunships?

Rapier do not need a buff, they have been op as gunship ball and have never been nerf, they are just not that frequently used. Discuss with RyMarq or other for more info

Rapiers have stupidly low damage for their 300 metal cost. They arent that fast either.

If you want to kill a target, ravens are better 99% of the time.

Cmon, do you ever see a non-noob go gunships? In team games or 1v1, planes are chosen 99% of the time, and choosing gunships makes you a troll.

Two of their units are super troll, blastwing and stunner thing. They both die to light aa, and blastwings are better at killing other blastwings than anything else.

They have TWO transports, which makes absolutely no sense, considering none of their units are ground. Moving one of them to a factory like amphib would benefit both factories.

Banshees are balanced around being mobile air, but they fly so low they might as well be spiders in terms of usage. They are only good against naked mexes or builders, as soon as light defence goes up you cant trade at all.

Rapiers are bad because they do no damage for their cost. What are they supposed to be? Radiers? Assults? AA?

Black dawns are good, but too expensive.

Brawlers are ok, they dont feel very powerful for their cost either.

Also it doesnt help that most aa seems to be balanced around bursting down bombers(with dps, excluding defenders, and the other aa which nobody uses), which doesn't do favors to the dps focused gunships.

Anti air also seems to be much more powerful against air then ground defence is against ground. This makes sense considering the mobility advantage, but currently its balanced around bombers. Gunships need lots of time to do do equivalent damage of bombers, which this bomber focused aa doesnt provide.

I hope you can make sense out of this rambling.

Yep. I can't be the only one who's scrambled to figure out how to put some blast-radius into the air when facing a dense-packed mass of gunships. Rapiers are generally UP on their own, but they make up for that by being one of the most generalist units in the game and very deathballable.

quote: since then, all that has really changed is their max firing angle. banshee is deffo not underpowered!

Just to clarify, that nerf was not really small. It stopped Banshees from roflstomping fighters. Not saying it was too big of a change, just that it should not be underestimated.

If it is so good? They why does everyone mass bombers instead? I have not seen anyone mass gunships. Ok I lie, I saw it twice in the past 3 months. Then they got torn apart by redbacks and panthers after doing nothing.

10 rapiers vs 10 bombers - same cost and hp, but bombers kill stuff much faster and more of them survive because they dont have to sit around.

quote: If it is so good? They why does everyone mass bombers instead? I have not seen anyone mass gunships.

This is due to a big shift in the metagame. 6 months ago banshees were extremely common. Banshee switches were perhaps about as common as raven switches now. Firing angle nerf was significant, but that didn't necessarily drop them from being super good to useless.

When bomber meta started taking over everybody just kind of went with it. A bomber switch is not strictly better than a banshee switch although usually safer and more difficult to counter with ground units. Depending on how many and what kind of defenses your opponent has and what type of army he has banshees and other gunships can still be deadly.

For instance, when enemy is massing rockos a suprise banshee swarm could ravage them very quickly. A banshee makes cost vs a swarm of rockos in approximately 30 seconds. A raven would need a few minutes for that due to the very low weight of rockos. Raiding naked mexes is also where banshees shine - ravens are quite impractically slow at that in comparison.

Obviously there are also significant disadvantages to a gunship switch over a plane switch, but more science needs to be done. Gunships just haven't been played enough in 1v1s after the meta shifted.

why is krow not in strider hub?

Well, 2 mostly used gunships (BlackDawn and Krow) are used hit-and-run like. That means they dont differ much from bombers. Well, except that they dont have to go all the way back to the base in order to reload.

That clearly shows there is something wrong with GSes. They should get much more HP (3x planes for cost) so they can withstand flying over enemy AA longer, or much higher DPS, so they dont have to sit ducks over enemy AA long.

Personaly I'd like the 1st option more, to make them less bombers-like. To me, GSes should be to planes, what HVs are to LVs.

ZK airdrop mechanic is much beter then the one in BA, so i have no complaints about it

"ZUPRIZE I'M GUNSHIPS" is actualy what banshees should be doing, but as they are they can't; being too slow, and low DPS (i would actualy be all for a HP nerf to banshee).

So that role is relegated to the gunships that are not meant to fill that role (BD, Brawler), and creates an odd game where banshee cant be used for rading.


also banshee should actualy be faster then swifts, simply because swifts are the equiveland of anti-plane riots, and banshee are the equivelant of glaives.

Yes, they are easly countered by raiders, as raiders are usualy faster, or not much slower than gunships, thus they can keep chainsing tehm (and damaging) for a long time> It can't happen to planes, tahts why GSes should have like 3x more Hp than planes (for cost OFC)

Once again - to me, the yshould be some sort of "heavy planes"