sigh silly team colour

is there a way to use the old version of team colour (which was by far superior)

yeah, thats what i meant
and i don't it makes things alot nicer looking, yes, but it also makes them much more difficult cause NOW I CANT TELL WHO OWNS THAT FOOKIN RED UNIT NEXT TO ME
unless i hover over it, which becomes problematic when i try use the minimap to assess which allies are succeeding and where and all i get is Blue crap moving around
and then picking out the 'pro' players on the enemy team, same problem, just a big red mass

It's another option that should have been left off by default but wasn't.

ZK Devs: can we go back to the thread discussing the standard UI and pay more attention to it? Simple Team Colors is an interesting option that can be useful in some cases, but in most cases detracts from the game. And it's still buggy as hell.

17 days ago Licho asked newbies what bothered them about the default interface. He got a lot of feedback from actual newbies (and some others). http://zero-k.info/Forum/Thread/2180

13 days ago Licho released v1.0.4.9 with GUI improvements, including some that were clearly influenced by feedback from the previous thread, like changing the default scrolling mechanism. http://zero-k.info/Forum/Thread/2205

The simplified color scheme was one of those changes. However, it beats the heck out of me why it was included, because nobody asked for anything like it in the previous thread. Shadark mentioned that you can't easily tell friendlies from enemies and suggested adding additional visual context, like an outline. Simplified team colors is not additional visual context, it's less visual context, and it seems like a very poor way to solve the problem.

That's cool and all, but a couple new users asking for a feature doesn't mean that feature should become the default.

well maybe it does not matter to noobs if its default, but it shuld at leas remember the setting once you disable it.

Maybe its not important to distinguish enemies... but its important to distinguish friends. When someone begs for help, good luck finding where he is...

My proposal is to have a 3rd mode where all enemies are red, but allies can be distinguished. This frees up colors that can be reused to have more distinct colors for friends...

mojjj: The people in the thread you posted weren't asking for simplified team colors, they were asking for global team colors - i.e. everyone sees the same color assignments instead of everyone seeing themselves as teal, allies as cool, and enemies as warm.

Antelope: I don't think anyone - new or not - was asking for simplified team colors. So what we now have is a setting that nobody wants, on by default, which doesn't remember that you turned it off.

Licho: Wouldn't it have been easier to include that feature when simplified colors was first implemented? Wouldn't it be easier for whoever wrote simplified colors to add that feature than for some arbitrary "someone" to dig into the code? Shouldn't "remember settings" be a basic feature included in any settable UI element before it gets released?

(obtw: this doesn't affect me, because I don't use the Chili minimap, because it doesn't work with my graphics card.)

Edit: Okay, "nobody wants" is an overstatement. Licho wants it.

Edit: Huh, I suppose I should try enabling the Chili minimap again, maybe it's fixed now. http://code.google.com/p/zero-k/source/detail?r=6245

Edit: ZKL didn't automatically disable minimap projectile rendering, so I guess it didn't detect my ATI graphics card (HP Pavilion G6 laptop w/ AMD M880G with ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250). Or maybe the revision I pointed to above hasn't been released yet? Anyway, manually deselecting the "Minimap projectiles" checkbox under the ZKL Settings tab did fix the display issues that had forced me to disable the Chili minimap. .... HOWEVER, I'm still not going to use the Chili minimap, because it doesn't seem to offer any substantial improvement over the other minimap, and the other minimap lets me see projectiles without hosing up my display.

Antelope: its also to make sure people aren't confused by stupid colors, like Black and White, and it helps differentiate stuff better. Still, simplified shouldn't be defaults, teamcolors should. Not knowing who is who on your team does not work.

Ah, I agree with you there, that would work, and even could be done with auto !teamcolors in lobbies I think. Course I do wonder at this point if it would confuse the heck out of the older players, having to check color IDs in the lobby agian, not that its stopped changes before.