Rez breaks FFA

Ressurrection is far too good in FFAs. There's no point in pulling off some brilliant attack to destroy the enemy's singu and nuke if 5 mins later they will be back for free along with your dead units.

Rez should be changed to decrease its power in FFAs.

A couple of proposals:

* Increase rez cost to 40% of unit value. This means that resurrection is still pretty good (athenas will still make cost over an FFA, it just takes three times longer), but it's no longer a no-brainer.
* Increase rez cost to 60% of unit value, but make it 2x as fast as reclaiming rather than 0.5x as fast. Then rez gives no eco benefit, but does give a very large boost to how fast you can get things back up again.

Combined with cloakable sources of energy (that require special Detector units to find), this produces some nice 3.5 hour games
I think adding metal cost is unimaginative though. Some other (probably bad) idea spitballs:
- Don't mount the rez ability onto a cloakable, high-speed, all-terrain unit. This will make the logistical cost much higher, and make counteraction much more possible.
- Remove sonar to make submerged singus easier to find, making rez comebacks less of a nobrainer.
- Make high-yield energy sources gib themselves on detonation, preventing things that mainly power rez from being rezzed
- Make the rez unit easier to gib = less likely to be rezzed
- Make rezzed units slave-chained to the resurrector, and revert to omnihostile zombie Gaia if resurrector dies

And with these powers combined: Funnelweb should be the resurrector.
- Uncloakable even with Iris because of the mega fat shield
- Unconditional energy drain even when not rezzing because of shield
- Nowhere near fast, not amphibious, high logistic cost that while can be lowered with smart use of djinn/hercules, is still much higher than Athena
- Raises entry bar to rez to 3k
- Already a builder but with a non-lolol buildlist
- The leash mechanic combined with uncloakability makes it an interesting target
- AESTHETIC because spiders do things with corpses, horrible things.
- Actually gives meaning to frontline Funnelweb - it's there to make necro drones

TL;DR zombie robot spider jesus

dyth68 do you have any examples I can watch so I can see for myself?

I am against any nerf Athena. Athena is an aviation unit with the strongest problem, it is that he is weak against turrets. Because of what it can only be at its base and work locally. The buff of the Funnelweb will lead to the fact that it can work globally, literally. Her shields and resurrection will be imba.

FFA game of Athena is a special meta, which is rarely used, since it requires a high eco from all players. FFA games with athena are rare

I don't agree that resurrection is far too good in FFA. Maybe it is slightly too good :)

How much more efficient (M+E cost and time?) is it compared to reclaiming and rebuilding?
What you gain in efficiency you lose in flexibility of choosing what to build with the reclaim.

Is the "problem" not just that people can more easily make a comeback in FFA?
After an attack in FFA you often have the dilemma between finishing of a player and focusing on a more threatening opponent.
People often underestimate the strength of players that have been "wiped out", but actually still have plenty of energy and a few builders.

→ The problem is not that you cannot stop athena's rezzing, the problem is that you often don't know whether someone has hidden E and athena's, or where they are.


So I agree with Anarchid that it should probably be a bit easier to scout (and snipe) underwater singu's.

Perhaps the same goes for Athena's. Right now they are really easy to kill (Artemis, fighters, raiders) but harder to find due to cloak and radar jamming.
Maybe radar jamming should be disabled when rezzing, to make rezzing harder close to no-mans-land.

I like the idea of funnelweb rezzing combined with the mind leash mechanic.
Funnelwebs are quite snipable, from my experience. So there is an opportunity for counter play.

quote: What you gain in efficiency you lose in flexibility of choosing what to build with the reclaim.

In FFA this degenerates into not being able to choose to build singus and paladins because you are rezzing singus and paladins.

Tell me more about those sunken untouchable singus. How would you get rid of them normally?

Ah. I'd forgotten that Raven bombs penetrate water.

Of course you'll need to force fire your Ravens to hit the damn thing...

In practice in FFA I think they mostly get destroyed by nukes.

Rezzed units should be zombies tethered to their rezzer (so if rezzer dies than so do they). It should also be faster and the rezzer should be slow and landbound, not fast, cloaked and airborne.

It also makes superweapons a lot better. Even if you manage to assassinate one, its going to pop back alive for free in a little while and I find that terrible.