In the next infrastructure release, all resign votes require one more vote to resign (going from a minimum of majority + 1 to majority + 2, this means 3v3 and 4v4 require an unanimous agreement for resign). This was done after https://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/1060977 (Mechadansonia is cursed?).

I do not know when this will go live unfortunately.

On the flip side: why should 2 people be forced to wait for a hunt down the fleaman type situation? No matter which way you look at it, you're kinda fucked.

In an ideal world, you'd just resign and queue another fight up.

quote: So don't think the flea example is very good.

Huntdown the fleaman is any situation where an overwhelming force is forced to hunt down any remaining units despite an impossibility to lose. It doesn't have to be fleas. It could be underwater comm with 14,000 hp. (UW units are the worst to have to hunt down..)

I do not personally find situations like that anywhere remotely "fun" -- I as a player want to get to the next game, my time is being wasted on a won game. Having to kill razors or other annoying units because one person thinks "oh I can totally fight 60k metal in units with 3 solars and an underwater commander" is not my definition of fun. At that point, there's nothing engaging about clubbing a dead seal. There have been legit times when I've called resign votes in the past to avoid such situations. They are frustrating and unfun and a grind to play out.

My comment is that doing this opens up crappy experiences like 2 pros resigning and being stuck waiting 10-20 minutes for a noob to realize that 30k army that's coming to kill their little porc hill ain't gonna be stopped by their speedbump. Or being stuck by people like weiweiwtf who would totally stall small teams if given the chance. Or worse yet: what if someone goes afk? My point here is you're opening yourself to the possibility of worse outcomes by doing this.

I'd be happier if this change would accompany a "Win button on Overwhelming Advantage" that would need only a 50% team vote to pass, as that seems to avoid all the negative situations (besides your team going afk, but that would be a luaside change, so we can tell how many people are afk). If there's significant enough interest, I could probably start work on such a change.

quote: automatic reveal of all units would be an easy first fix and at least would be a rule applying to everybody in the same way.

That wouldn't solve the AFK problem. Changing the point in which units are automatically revealed won't solve anything. It just means now I get to play clean up earlier (by which point I already have cleaned up majority of the units).

Once the game hits OA, it should be a case of being pretty much unrecoverable and I'd expect as a player for the game to be over by this point. Changing OA to give an automatic win button to the winning team would be a resolution to the AFK problem and would not detract from people who like to play hunt down the flea man. We already have an automatic losing button in the form of !resign.

Most modern games have a "Win or Continue" prompt on completing objectives, so why can't we adapt this to MP and prevent the situation from occurring outright? If half of my team doesn't want to hunt down the remaining units, why is our fun compromised for the sake of some griefer or the 1-3 people who enjoy it?

quote: I have personally been far more often annoyed by teammates choosing not to resign in an obviously lost game than by teammates resigning a game that was winnable.

And that's because you could not start another game due to lack of players?

Do you like huge or small games? My impression is that a lot of people declare they would prefer a medium game (let's say from 3v3 up to 8v8 - source http://zero-k.info/Poll/UserVotes/5295 - only 25% are on the largest), but in reality that never gets organized due to multiple reasons both technical and social. These two issues (resign issues and game seeding issue) influence quite strongly each other - now people want "fast resign" to optimize for "wait for game", which in my opinion is not very productive.

2v2-3v3: Inidividual resign that gives units to your team mates.
4v4 and above: Resign.

quote: On principle I dislike individually resigning from games. Sticking around for the benefit of teammates who do not appear to have any serious plans through which the game might be won is pretty annoying though.

My solution to these situations is:
Query team for whether they have an actual plan

If yes, attempt to implement it

If no, or query fails: "/say May those who see a path to victory tread it" and go do something else.

I'm also curious how the heck TheWarning thought he had a winning position here...
South has about 2.5x the eco and total size. North's army was 50% Likhos that didn't even have a place to land any more (with most of the rest consisting of a single injured Dante) and a paladin was coming from south in three minutes, which wasn't even needed as the 4 Grizzly army could have happily wiped out the entirety of north...
I'd expect most of north's remaining pitiful eco to vanish under turret creep shortly anyway.