random unit decloaks

i think i found the reason while playing with sythe

then sythe move over wrecks the wrecks ocasinaly trigger decloak effect

replay
http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/117487

watch my sythe it happens twice late game

at 12:25 a group of sythe next to dead LLT wreck spontaneously decloak (north)
happens again at 16:47 in the middle, this time a pyro wreckage caused it
and again same spot at 17:08 panther wreck

dosent seem to be caused by bouncing units (sythe only bounced off the panther wreck)



on a side note:
at 7 minutes you can see a fighter tracking a cloaked sythe and attaking
(while sythe still cloaked)

this also happens with bombers, and is most noticeable with raipier, which will follow the cloaked unit, but not shoot, across whole map, once attack order was given

That's probably it. I've seen bounce damage do some insanely stupid things, like raiders running into a wreck and exploding.

Actually it is much more complicated than that.
Scythes decloaks sometimes when they run into friendly buildings or features but only if they are in enemy Line of Sight.
It is the same with damage. If the Scythes get damaged when they are out of enemy Line of Sight they don't decloak. If there is an enemy nearby they decloak.
Units cloaked by Sneaky Pete(including scythes with their internal cloak turned off) will decloak when they take damage from weapons or sometimes when they bounce off buildings. If there is an enemy nearby(in Line of Sight?) it seems that the units will stay uncloaked longer.

quote: Which is sad, because just yesterday i specced a game where tand used a gauss com to shoot blindly at a sniper.

quote: Said sniper took two hits, for half his health but never decloaked.

Are you sure if the sniper was in Line of Sight? If the sniper were out of Line of Sight it wouldn't have mattered if it were decloaked anyway.
It just assume that units with internal cloaker would decloak if they are in enemy Line of Sight and get damaged but there might be an other cause.

related:
cloaked unit tracking, an exeptional example

http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/117712
watch my com, hammers and snipers track it even while it is completley cloaked and fire at it, although with poor accuracy

Cloak tracking is an unavoidable engine thing. Weapons track units which have just left view for a few seconds iirc.

The Sythe thing is entirely fixable because decloaking when damaged is entire game-side. We probably just have to use UnitPreDamaged instead of UnitDamaged because UnitPreDamaged contains more information about where the damage came from (eg unit-unit or unit-wreck collisions). It's pretty easy but if nobody does it in the next few days you will have to wait.

quote: related: cloaked unit tracking, an exeptional example http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/117712 watch my com, hammers and snipers track it even while it is completley cloaked and fire at it, although with poor accuracy

I have confirmed that this is an engine thing. I do not think it can be feasibly worked around. Lua can clear weapon targets, the issue is knowing when to clear the target.

http://springrts.com/mantis/view.php?id=3322

quote: ...the issue is knowing when to clear the target.

When the target is cloaked?

quote: ddab wrote related: cloaked unit tracking, an exeptional example http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/117712 watch my com, hammers and snipers track it even while it is completley cloaked and fire at it, although with poor accuracy