Balance Problems YO

Out of interest, where do people perceive balance problems to be at the moment?

For me:

Planes

- Shadow is only useful very early game and feels horrible. Underpowered and mostly useless, never gets used by good players.
- Phoenix is overpriced for its current damag eoutput and never gets used by good players.
- Stiletto is much worse than before and costs the same, almost never gets used now.

Gunships

- Blastwing unit is awful, only useful for cheese
- Brawler is pointless and almost never used
- Banshee is too effective against other flyers
- Rapier unit almost pointless now we have banshit spam & trident, almost never used

Amph

- fac isn't remotely competetive on land maps. competetive =/= of equal power to other landfacs, competetive = worth using in certain situations when playing optimally eg. suprising an opponent with an unusual fac choice/build/rush. too bad to be worth it.

Cloakybot

- PURFECTION

Sheildbot

- Outlaw is toothless, 50% more DPS would be a nice addition as very few good players make use of these now.
- Vandal is still the most appalling, useless AA unit ever.
- dirtbag is OWLED and with the addition of anti-heavy racketeer, redudant.
- Otherwise PURFECT

Light Vehicles

- Wolverine is a sucky gimmick unit and much too fragile
- Otherwise PURFECT

Heavy Vehicles

- Tremor is still terrible at everything except draining shields
- Panther still occupies a dubious role in the fac
- Reaper is probably slightly too good
- Otherwise PURFECT

Jumpies

- Puppy overpriced
- Pyro friendly fire
- Moderator overpriced
- firewalker too weighty
- Sumo too heavy/role very confused
- fac unable to square up to many other facs due to lack of riot

Spiders

- Hermit slow/overpriced
- fac unable to square up to many other facs due to lack of heavy raider/damage dealer

Commanders. There's too much meta involved, especially with the slot limit.

ofc I dont consider vandals as indidivuals, but I do consider them in terms of cost effectiveness and surviveability compared to other AA. Both are extremely low. Check the modstats - it is noteably less cost effective than even jethro, which is also a very useful scout.

I would disagree, vandal feel like they have a very similar cost:damage output to jethro (and both are worse than the heavier aa units). Except that the jethro is also extremely survivable and has other uses due to cloak, whilst the vandal is the lowest weight and one of the slowest AA units with no defence mechanism. Vandals die frequently to land units, jethros do not.

I agree with what [GBC]1v0ry_k1ng sayis....(people please try and change to simple nicknames...its less harder to write down, "[GBC]1v0ry_k1ng")

But brawlers... so weak,they need something new, a special ability or something.
Give brawlers a fast fire ability that increas the attack speed with 50-70% and a recharge rate of this action with 1 minute or so.

Blastwings do great but they need tons of micro.
1 blastwing can easily kill a cluster of glaves.Lalz i even saw a blastwing at full speed taking 50% hp from a ravager( i did that), so yes blastwings are great but usless when enemy has aa.Just use blastwings when enemy attacks your ground.

Banisher imo needs a bit more range, cause it dies to fast now.

I must also mention that vamps need to attack ground a bit, cause they move slow and they need a special ability that i already mentioned in other threads (give the d gun ability and some weaponds that make it attack like ac 10 thunderbold does with less dmg of course).This idea if its implemented will make air player more effective to small attacking units. a 300 metal cost vamp needs to do something in ground at least.

Napalm bomber, true its to costy for the job it does and how fast it dies

Stilleto:( feeling so sad when i remember the old days.Just fix it or something its just usless now for its cost.

Banshees are ok, they die fast to aa or plane aa but can raid a lot if you know how to handle them.Watch how me and sfireman micro banshees+ vamps on the map and how we deep strike enemy.10 Banshee with constant repair and attack makes cost with kills and with the aa enemy is investing.

Rapier, true...now they are usless, try give them torpedo now so gunships can do something in watter?

Outlaw nerf was nice, but it was to hars , you must admit that.Give at least 25% more dps to it again.

Regarding the vandals...yes they need something but i dont know what.

Wolverine, i didnt saw it so effective only in huge stacks like 10 -20 of them.If you have few of them they are not that good.

Tremor is ok imo now due to the low cost buff that it got.

Panther, yes i agree, weird unit with weird purpose...and costs a bit.

I dont know about the jumper factory, but i think units there have some problems
and i agree with the slow dmg that a moderator needs now,so 2 of them will act a bit like a riot.

Spiders are ok imo...

I also must mention the ATHENA...athena declock range is to BIGGG, make it smaller :(.You cant even proper scout with it, and its expensive+ demands micro

Amph factory is ok as it is, just make the transport unit less costy and remove more from its declock range.

I must also mention that curent Licho is bugged, and give it a d gun that throws flares so aa wont kill it that easily and give more cost to the unit.

Regarding commanders, just take 50-70% of the morphing cost and 50-70% of the modules cost(in case we do this give more cost to the energy cell and more energy producing from it)
If we stilla re to commanders, there are some things that need nerf and need buff to commander modules and weaponds but we will discuss this further if people want or if admins wants.

quote: As far as I am concerned the capcar entirely ruins every game it is used in.

Just get abusing it then :)

I got into top 10 by spamming capcar, once. It is interesting.

Capcar is effective in the middgame(where porc is absent) and eary if you have a riot with them and people try to expand a bit and then decisive battle start.Capcar dies easy to air and gunships...

I'm goin' offtopic, ain't nooone to stop me:
Scorcha's pointblank melter is a fair step from vanilla, so is Wolverine, which you described as gimmicky yourself. Dominatrix just overshadows those because it's really really weird.

2-3 wolverines can be very annoying. lately i have nt played with this unit, but i remember success on maps which tend to be narrow and porky, like the bridge on folsom dam. that was, however, before the trolls had discovered dirtbags and i discovered skuttle. will try to use it again a bit more...

Surprisingly enough, against shielded targets, Wolverines produce more dps. It's like the poor man's Tremor.

Which of course raises your concern about the Tremor :)