topic of next release

I'm glad that the newest release focused on making one more factory 1v1 viable.

Now, its just a request, but can the next release focus on making Spiders and Jumpers more 1v1 viable too?

These facs really need some attention, and a wider choice of 1v1 facs equals more interesting 1v1 meta.

Jumpers need a better puppy, a less friendly-firing pyro (and I feel like it has less DPS than it used to), either removal or changed moderator and a sumo with a defined role.

Spiders need a better hermit, perhaps a more resilient recluse, and (dare to dream) another unit in the lineup. Dat spiderlight. A gimmick for the con unit could be sweet too!

Peace x

Agree. Spiders and jumpies can work in 1v1, but they still are somewhat handicap factories. I feel like They most suffer from lack of a strong raider phase, which is essential in 1v1. Both of those factories have some very powerful units in their lineup(crabe, sumo, skuttle for example), but they don't really make the factories a lot better in 1v1 due to the importance of the raider game.

Also, amphibs. Buoy/archer/grizzly/situationally duck can be really good, but the lack of an AOE riot and affordable assault make it difficult to play.

Lastly, what about goliath? When compared to other units of it's cost range, it's quite easily the most useless one. Don't take me wrong - I think tanks are awesome in this stable both strength and fun wise. It's just a little ironic that the flagship of the heavy factory is possibly the least useful heavy non-strider unit in the game.

More specifically, it suffers from two problems imo:
1) Role overlaps too much with reaper, it doesn't bring much different to the table
2) It's slowbeam is just simply too weak to be of any meaningful effect vs other heavies. It's basically just an accuracy enhancer against light/medium targets.

I feel like role overlap could be reduced if it got higher alpha on either main gun or the slowbeam. Wouldn't make it better vs swarms, but would add to the anti-heavy capabilities. Right now a goliath gets crushed by sumo 1v1. This just doesn't make sense, considering the sumo with it's AOE smash and accurate(!) higher RoF weapon is A LOT more generalist. Sumo also has more health than goliath and doesn't get stuck so easily. Oh, and it's cheaper too.

If spiders had a good raider game, so the game is even at the stage where the shieldball appears, spiders should be able to kill shieldballs.
Before felon: Venom emp is great vs thugs
If no racketeer: crabe (drains felon with armour, has AOE to blow thugs into pieces.
If you can sneak around the outlaws: infiltrators to stun felon or aspis
If you have a recluseball you can drain the shield from a distance. Recluses outrange felon.
I think the problem for spiders vs shields is rather banditspam + some rogues to kill venoms.

quote: the only true "Lightning" unit left in the game - every other "lightning" unit would have barely-or-no-damage "stun" wouldn't it?

Unsure if Bantha and Comm are "barely or no damage" >.>
They are barely units, though, what i meant by Panther being the only "mainline" unit left.

quote: prettied-up version of the Buoy's disruptor-cannon

Pretty much, except that buoy cannon is so ugly that i hope it won't be anything like it visually.

quote: So if you put it on the Goli, would it replace the main gun or the cupola?

I'm leaning toward main gun, but it's a very raw idea that i just had (compared to the rest of the plan, which has been incubating in my head for months)

Oi, the new thread button exists for a reason! If it isn't spiders or jumpers for next release, then it dosn't belong here

I think that would be interesting, so long as it was only slow enough for eg. capturing a mex over 15 seconds

Moderator becomes miniature starlight, except its weapon is a disruptor and doesn't fire continuously. Tiny mirror floating a bit above it, weapon arcs up and at them! Now jumpies have a skirmisher that does damage and stacks with itself because of how it fires.

Jump: I think the biggest problem with jump is that they don’t have a skirmisher. Pyro can be used in the raiding role and puppies can to. But they have no skirmisher until firewalker. Puppies are kind of vulnerable by themselves.

Spiders: Spiders do not have a raider other than flea. Flea is really a scout.

quote: Spiders: Spiders do not have a raider other than flea. Flea is really a scout.

Enter the Damage Venom.

1) Kills LLT.
2) Kills raiders.
3) Dodges rockets.
4) Two will murder your comm.

While i like the idea of making Hermit cheaper (and higher rof at same or marginally better DPS), i don't think it's necessary with the damage-venom around.

Moderator should become a mid-range version of the OTA morty, then jumpers have two viable units for early - mid.

I'm surprised people consider the pyro underpowered..

Also, why is the dirtbag in shieldbot fac when it jumps?