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izirayd

5 years ago

Why do I get three games in a row a player with 1k elo, who specifically plays in the most disgusting style, everyone in the team terribly hates him and we lose it 3 games. Why the team’s share of metal should go to him, if he doesn’t build units for 10 minutes, doesn’t make meks.

I finally won the next game

Should a player with 1k elo receive team metal? Why does the team need him at all? His level is so low that my left leg will do better and it will be more profitable for the team to give her metal than him

+2 / -1

izirayd

5 years ago

now he has 980 elo

+0 / -0

Kapy

5 years ago

Do you mean the guy with 300 battles played, and who built 1 mex -> 8 solars -> 4 caretakers -> stinger -> aegis -> cornea(no energy for upkeep) -> 4 caretakers...?

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Chesti

5 years ago
(edited 5 years ago)

Kapy exactly.

And there is no chance to kick him in from the lobby. because automatically NW overrules every vote....

I observed kickvotes are very newbie friendly, many players vote !n for newbies who try..... I would be the last one who kicks someone who just is not capable of playing good as long as he tries to work with the team.

but players like:

rusbolshakov should be kickable by active players in the room. it is a total death card to smaller team games which everyone wanted to force some time ago.... :stupid:

I wish every dev who likes this decision gets such a player like

rusbolshakov every game even if they play 1 vs 1 they get this bot as metal sucker.........

+0 / -1

SnuggleBass

5 years ago

Everything said here thus far does not address the fact that elo rating is self-correcting and will eventually arrive at an MMR that will deliver 50% win-rate for the player. So while that one player is not contributing much, their allies are proportionately able to compensate. After 300 games, this player likely wins roughly half of the large team games they're in.

You haven't argued the case very well at all...

+1 / -0

Aquanim

5 years ago

To be fair, that's not much comfort when it takes a while for them to sink to their level. And even when they do reach a 50% winrate they are not a lot of fun to play with.

Nevertheless, I don't think there is much to be done about it without crippling the new player inflow stream.

+0 / -0

Kapy

5 years ago

What about people who have played thousands of games, they know how to play but dont give a shit and just troll with stupid shit?

Look at pluk or http://zero-k.info/Charts/Ratings?RatingCategory=1&UserId=429919

That downhill must be from trolling, or did they lose keyboard or mouse, and cant play good anymore? So they play/troll and mess with balance until they have achieved their life goal of low elo.

+0 / -0

ddaboqepp

5 years ago

lol Firepluk is a pretty bad example:
http://zero-k.info/Charts/Ratings?RatingCategory=1&UserId=185685

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Kapy

5 years ago

I would say pluk is good example. I havent been around for long, so I should shut up, but

http://zero-k.info/Charts/Ratings?RatingCategory=1&UserId=185685&From=1%2F1%2F2016+12%3A00%3A00+AM&To=12%2F30%2F2016+12%3A00%3A00+AM

Pluk 2016, from 2800 down to 2300. Balanced games meanwhile, because possible trolling? Also going the other way when he plays good. I hate it when he plays good, one team has like an extra player.

+0 / -0

Aquanim

5 years ago

Firepluk definitely has games where

quote:
my left leg will do better and it will be more profitable for the team to give her metal than him

+2 / -0

dyth68

5 years ago

Honestly I don't get what you're complaining about.
He made a decent amount of eco, defended it well and made units to send out to raid the enemy and assist his neighbours.

Seems like a textbook newbie trying his best, just one with 300 games.

+1 / -0

Senaven

5 years ago

Report him until admins have enough annoyed and ban him for good. This shit is always with him. He never listens. Such players are not needed in community. Even NullAi is more beneficial then him. So much tries to speak with him and no any reaction. In english, in russian and futile.
Or just use kick vote. In small teams his actions is detrimental. In lobster team with 15 vs 15 he can be tolerated.

quote:
Why do I get three games in a row a player with 1k elo, who specifically plays in the most disgusting style

Maybe because you are TOP 10 players in casual rank?

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Senaven

5 years ago

quote:
To be fair, that's not much comfort when it takes a while for them to sink to their level. And even when they do reach a 50% winrate they are not a lot of fun to play with.

Can i start play like him and sink to my true level (because being in Mumble i got too much whr for my skill level so i need thing to be smooth out)? I will not be kicked and banned?

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izirayd

5 years ago
(edited 5 years ago)

quote:
Maybe because you are TOP 10 players in casual rank?

This is a question regarding honesty or not honesty. It would be correct that I would receive it in 50% of cases.

+0 / -0

izirayd

5 years ago

I watched a lot with how the balance works, in fact, if my rating is high, I sharply become the strongest load for the whole team. Each player from my team must demonstrate one level of the game above himself. This will be so until the player with rating how my appears in the other team, then this load is removed from the members of my team and it becomes easier for them to play.
In a team of 6 people,

rusbolshakov gets 16.6% of the team’s metal. The fact is that the balancer does not take this metal into account in any way and it turns out that this player is additionally loading my team and my team needs to give a level higher than their two levels.

+1 / -0

Senaven

5 years ago

quote:
This is a question regarding honesty or not honesty.

Fully honest then. :D

But balancer doesn't care about that. I also don't know why balancer put two purple and two 1k lobs in same team while it could even teams with one purple and one lob in each team. So far seems balancer is very crude. And as nobody have time to improve it then it will stay like this.
I know this lob team pain. And i know pain when u have two/three games in row with double com.

+1 / -0

Senaven

5 years ago

If u think this is unfair than can u imagine two coms +

rusbolshakov. :D

+1 / -0

Title:	[A] Teams All Welcome
Host:	Nobody
Game version:	Zero-K v1.8.4.5
Engine version:	104.0.1-1486-gf266c81
Battle ID:	894097
Started:	5 years ago
Duration:	14 minutes
Players:	12
Bots:	False
Mission:	False
Rating:	Casual