u wut banned for wut?

I banned you for playing very badly, reclaiming allied construction and finally teamkilling an ally with Skuttles.

we can play i gladdly explore this

wow, czesio played like Firepluk and patrician...

Honestly, just cross the "playing badly" part out. The teamkilling is enough to justify the ban.

"playing badly" as a reason makes this look more like admin-despotism for the reasons Lu5ck has already pointed out.

quote: "Playing badly" was not in the ban reason itself, only in the context which CHrankAdminDeinFreund provided.

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quote: Honestly, just cross the "playing badly" part out. The teamkilling is enough to justify the ban.

quote: Lastly, I am not saying GBrankczesio did is not wrong but it is understandable where his/her rage coming from.

quote: The cases of a bronze and a rusty gold SGrankLu5ck has brought up are pretty uninteresting in this regard.

exactly those statements are what makes it look like despotism.


czesio please mate, i know you are a nice guy. please don`t do anything more that is just going to harm yourself.

@ Admins

maybe consider to make the paladium event avaidable more often. it`s hard to find decent team-games that are worth putting efford in.
- consequent application of the "play with your team"-thing is not going to happen, (for understandable reasons)
- bluntly said, there seems to be a number of people that are addicted to this game, so just "stop playing" is no easy
option.
- For a very long time now, the paladium has not interfered with the All-Welcome-Host, participation is low enough.

czesio can be expected to behave in a decent manner.

but looking at this:



if there is a group of people that constantly gets ignored and declared unimportant by you, while you neither provide alternatives nor showing the will to alter your position even the slightest, then you are effectively telling them to leave the game. This is neither fair nor productive or useful.

quote: What you mean to say here is not every one of your personal demands was satisfied to the letter.

Not sure how to understand this. Do you dismiss my arguments becaue of their source, e.g. my person?

1. Do you really think it is just about me? If so, how can i convince you it is not?
2. I don`t see why trying to get ones needs satisified without hurting others would be bad.

Back on topic:

- !proposebattle is clunky and i am not sure how many games it has produced overall so far.
- tournaments are rare and i am not sure if we ever had a tournament that featured bigger teams than 4v4.
- passworded rooms are a hazzle to set up and maintain, the password needs to be send in diverse private messages and the
room would be invisible for many people that don`t have the option "hide passworded rooms" disabled. So their existance
would have to be announced in chat constantly. Hard to do if you actually want to play.
- Sortie-Matchmaker is as rarely used as !proposebattle and doesn`t feature anything above 6v6 either.
- Single-Balance solves a problem that has nothing to do with this one.

Regardless of how czesio talked to his teammates or how good Solars into Singu is, he showed a complete lack of respect for patrician by sneakily reclaiming patrician's Paladin to fuel his third Singu. When patrician called czesio out on this he switched the Caretakers away, so he certainly knew what he was doing. This escalated into reclaim from patrician and Skuttles from czesio.

DeinFreund provides a bit more context (perhaps there were a few more games I didn't see as well) but did include "teamkill" and later elaborated with "reclaim" and "skuttle". The battle link is in the ban description so, if anyone is going to stick their oar in and embark on some backseat moderation, they could at least have the decency to watch the battle rather than having others explain it to them.

czesio played the game so surely knows what he did. The title has got to be a lie. The community will be better off if people can avoid being baited by "I'm banned but I'm so innocent" threads.

Lu5ck you've been taken in by czesio's attempt to make the whole thing a question of what "good play" or "being nice" means. None of that is relevant here. You can watch the game for yourself and see the sneaky resource stealing and teamkill. You can have the conversation you want to have, but don't have it in a clear-cut ban-whine thread. No matter how off-topic this thread goes, it will still have a kernel of reference to this particular ban. Making your case with relation to czesio will just make your argument look terrible.

katastrophe was right with "The teamkilling is enough to justify the ban." and potentially right with "Honestly, just cross the "playing badly" part out.", but arguing the latter seems fairly pointless. If you demand perfect wording every time then you demand that the moderators spend a lot more time doing a thankless task.

What I said to Lu5ck about finding or starting a new thread (because this one is terrible) goes for everyone else too. Attempts to have a decent discussion here are tarnished by misrepresentation by czesio in the OP, and the attractiveness of memeing the OP for jokers like [Fx]Drone.