amph lab

this lab needs either a total rebalance, or massive buffs to all units

they are at this moment totaly uncompetetive against other labs

Don't forget Rapids. Unless I'm missing something amphi seems to be the factory there.

so are we seriously saying that amph lab is fine cause it works on gimmicks(hovers not having a torp unit), and poorly made maps(where nothing else can path) and when you massively outeco some noob and make 2000 scalops to troll them?


hell even jumpbot lab is more versetile then that...

Making a large army of scallops is trolling now?

I dislike everything about this lab except the bouy.

Skasi already proved it in a battle where he used amphs in a map wth 10-15% watter.I was with him in team against Klon and another big elo player.he easily killed heavy tanks and light v using watter cover.SO depends on how you play with them.

I'd say that on a pure land map Amphs only got 2 good units. Buoy and Grizzly.
Buoy is a great deathballing tanky skirmisher. If you avoid losses and repair them there are few other similar priced units that can approach them.
Grizzly is a great heavy skirmisher. It pretty fast and if you can prevent it against spam and anti-heavies it's in its' legue of its' own killing Dantes, HLTs, Sumos and even Goliaths.

Ducks are basically the worst raider on land as it cannot hit dodging raiders, is slow and expensive.

I can see use for Archers in gimmicky ways like pushing enemies into defense or pushing units off cliffs but I am rarely able to use them for that.
They can protect Buoys against enemies but if they just keep pushing enemy units away the Buoys will miss and the enemy will be able to escape and repair.

Scallop is slow and have low range so in order to be effective the enemy basically have to run into them.

That said.
When the Amphs can use water they gain free repairs in the water, they can hide and escape from enemies and ambush enemies from there.
I'd say that Amphs are most effective when they can use their Amphibious abilities to escape from ships and land units and ambush enemies.

A possible gimmicky strategy might be to play it like spiders and terraform into water, using that to give yourself the advantage. It seems infeasible, but that may be just because I don't have an intuitive knowledge of terraform costs.

Amphs are meant to be niche at best on pure land maps. You can actually make a frightening bouy push on pure land, into lategame grizzly, but other than that...

On maps with lakes, rivers, puddles and shallows, they're meant to be viable. On a map like tropical, the torp + shotgun of the scallop gives it insane DPS. The many lakes of Fata Morgana let them hop from one to another, ambushing units that walk by.

I'd like the Archer to be able to float, and it would be nice if the Bouy had synergy with units other than More Bouys (As Godde said the Archer and Scallop should work in theory but not in practice). Other than that, I think the factory is OK barring a rework of torpedoes (hitting hovers).

as i said, i challenge anyone to beat me on a map where you can't bumrush me with ducks (the only amph lab tactic that has any chance of winning)

actualy, since i know you are making amph lab, i challenge you to beat me on any map at all...

btw heres a secret, 1 rokko > whole amph lab