<5 minutes no ELO

Hey, I recently played a game versus Godde and he obviously finished me in less then 4 minutes. What bothers me is that he didn't get any ELO due to game lenght. I think that with the increase in 1vs1 matches due to the game juggler Zero-K games will get faster and faster, the 1vs1 games I have playes are faster then ever, and I think the no ELO unser 5 minutes rule is outdated due to this.

Also, in last game I played, my opponent, while I was winning left at like 4:30 resultes in no ELO. While my opponent left in good spirit because he left to eat, but this is open to abuse!

It's done to prevent Elo/XP farming.

If this problem translates to Planetwars that's just bad, especially if ships do get lost.

If you just do a search for replays of +-5 minutes you will find a lot of games. I think we should embrace the speed of Zero-K 1vs1, because playing fast games is really fun, and in my opinion you learn most from these fast games, and it would be silly to not have it count towards ELO if you finish the game fast.

Maybe only re-introduce the XP? It's not like people would farm ELO, since all ELO does is help balance the game. I don't see reason for people to raise their ELO just so that they will have to fight more difficult opponents.

Oh yes, that's really cool, but my point is, that it's cool because of what it represents; being one of the top players. I don't think the game will be abused to tank ELO, because there is no profit in doing this. It's not cool or benefitial in any way.

Maybe lower the time to like 3 minutes?

Also Floris, when are you going to take that first place :p? You climbed the ladder really quick. I did a small climb too lately :D sucks that I can't watch ladder to see my place.

The planetwars problem is that Licho linked IP gain directly to XP gain because it uses a similarly appropriate equation. I said a while ago that they could use the same equation but be determined independently such that the anti-farming time for XP does not apply to IP.

I also have no idea why nobody hasnt fixed it yet.
Someone should get dirty and find the bug, I cannot do everything in this circus.

Give xp based on playing time then?

The XP equation gives no XP if the game ends up to 8 minutes into the game. XP gain then linearly increased to max at 12 minutes into the game. These are real world minutes not ingame minutes which means loading time, startpositions and pause a counted.

Anyway the important bit is the linear increase, it prevents a simple switch between sending and not sending ships. Anyway players could still prevent a game by resigning continuously and clogging up PW.

The game can easily be determined in under 5 minutes. Especially with rushes.
Rushing com and jack for example.

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Should people stay ingame 5 minutes in that case just in order to be polite to exchange elo even if they know they have lost?

Saktoth

quote: "Usually, if a game ends in less than 5 minutes, someone did something seriously wrong. I guess when you're playing against Godde it isn't hard to get utterly crushed for a small mistake, but it probably wasn't a 'fair' game. People probably shouldn't get IP, XP or Elo for that.

Maybe I haven't got that much of a view on how bad I was crushed since I am no top player yet, but to be honest I was not utterly crushed. I raided him early in the game, and he raided me back early, beating me with a rushed leveler at exactly the right time. Here is a replay of FlorisXIV and Godde playing, where FlorisXIV gets beaten in less then 5 minutes, which surely isn't because FlorisXIV is such a noob that makes such big mistakes.

http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/47633

On top of that, 1vs1s are ussually very polite with players just Resigning if they notice they are in a position they can not win any more, because we all want to play as much games as possible, and not clog up other people's time by hiding our last glaive somewhere for them to find. I think this is something Zero-K should encourage, and by requiring games to be at least 5 minutes you are encouraging the opposite: have gamers clog up at least 5 minutes of the other player to make sure they get ELO.