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Is it possible to use eye to predict projectile path

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8 days ago
Is it possible to use eyes to predict projectile path, and its land position?

And is it possible to use eyes to find where the projectile comes from (artillery unit position)?
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8 days ago
Ye it is because I made a widget to draw projectile parh and I wonder thether it should be considered as cheating.

While a swift is cheap.
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8 days ago
Without it, the experience of being shot at with an eos/shockly/tacnuke is that the missile pops out of the FOW and moves too quickly for most units to be able to get out of the blast zone. The only "reliable" way to dodge such projectiles is to move your units or change direction after hearing the launch sound.

If the widget gives you information that comes from the FOW and is otherwise invisible, then that's like having a map hack IMO.
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8 days ago
dodge widget incoming
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7 days ago
Yeah, this is a cool widget.
Showing predictive projectile paths could be huge advantage for dodging projectiles.
But would it change the balance too much for Zero-K?
It would definitely be easier to dodge slow projectiles like Emissaries manually.
But what types of projectiles can it handle?
Can it just handle ballistic projectiles or can it handle rockets and lasers aswell?


With a little more addition it could be a really good an automatic dodge widget.

If I remember correctly, there was a previous gadget or widget that was doing more complex automatic dodging for units.
It got removed because of 2 main reasons:
Heavy CPU load. It can easily drain a lot of computing to do "smart" dodging of projectiles.
Changing the balance of the game. Units like Reavers that can turn and accelerate quickly basically became OP as skirmishers with slow projectiles that usually counters them now will almost never hit the Reaver.
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Ye it is because I made a widget to draw projectile parh and I wonder thether it should be considered as cheating.


It is considered cheating if done outside of the framework of a mod as this would mean you're manipulating the environment to allow you to get projectile IDs when the callouts required to do this are currently blocked.
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7 days ago
make it a unit. like the mobile cloackfield. a unit that tracks the path of enemy projectiles like an anti artillery radar thing.
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Without it, the experience of being shot at with an eos/shockly/tacnuke is that the missile pops out of the FOW and moves too quickly for most units to be able to get out of the blast zone. The only "reliable" way to dodge such projectiles is to move your units or change direction after hearing the launch sound.

Perhaps this could be used to make the shockley-whack-a-mole minigame more pleasant? If all players can see the missile trajectory it becomes less random at least.

If the widget only "enhances visibility" of information you as a player already have, then it should be fine. Willfully dodging projectiles is definitely a thing that happens in Zero-K already. For example, a Reaver can easily dodge a Rogue forever, without this widget.
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6 days ago
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For example, a Reaver can easily dodge a Rogue forever, without this widget.


Yah but the reaver has vision range on incoming projectiles. XNTWSAD is talking about giving vision of something that is currently obscured by the FOW. It is not analogous.

I'd be ok with an auto dodge behavior implemented on all units in the game (for the sake of the argument, perfect dodge that isn't a tactical blunder) if the player has vision on the silo/skylla/... This widget is giving information that the player did not get via scouting.
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6 days ago
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This widget is giving information that the player did not get via scouting.


This is incorrect. To elaborate on what I said and so that everyone is on the same page:

The callouts Spring.GetVisibleProjectiles and Spring.GetProjectilesInRectangle are currently blocked in widgets. Using these to get projectile paths is considered cheating IF and ONLY IF we're talking about within the base game. If this is some mod, it is perfectly fine to do this. They are not defeating fog of war, they're only accessing protected callouts.
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Is it possible to use eyes to predict projectile path, and its land position?


anything is a prediction, as eyes have a lag behind reality anyway.

usually
* 1-2ms to create an electrical impuse from an incoming photon
* 10-20ms to deliver the impulse from eye to the brain
* 100-200ms to process the information and output an image. within this process, much filtering is applied which is quite an interesting topic. read some literature.

successful people in sports which include e.g. balls, which require fast and accurate prediction have faster times in these areas to get an image! so it is genetics which explain my dumbness in catching stuff!

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