That Religion Thread continued. Abandon hope all ye who enter here.

Anarchid, yeah just google all you find and there is the proof, you read in some weird part of the internet some weird things(that i dont think they are true) and you show this to me to explain the badness of some humans in Orthodoxy...

"and consequently killed there." seriously:))?

Google out more and you will find even what blood type of the killers and the killed, what they eated, what they drinked, theyr family and friends, and i even trust that you can friend them on facebook to ask them.Stop searching corners of the internet that are not sure and be more realistic.Is this the only thing you find out regarding the badness or Orthodoxy? or you struggle to find them?If yes then you can easily asume that information is easily falsified as you consider the things writtin in the Biblie.SAme thing i can declare to almost all the things you posted here.

quote: some weird part of the internet

1) It's from Russian Wikipedia. I didn't really have to google anything. And it has more. I most like the parts when they burn alive the servants of the accused, 15-20 people at once, and then institute burning alive as a systematic punishment for old faith.

If one really wanted, the source texts are also all there, it's not hard to find.

Funny how you counted your own posts from the really weird parts of the internet as fully legit, though.

quote: Find me corpses, find me dead witches from that period and il belive you

2) You said that two posts back. Now, confronted with proof, you renounce.
You're a liar.

Anarchid: You are judging Forever a lot. Have you thought about trying a different approach?

"sake of his brainwashed mind."

See this is what i mentioned regarding the code of conduct...no respect at all at least that i am a zero k player.He doesnt like this thread and still writes here.@[V]sheep was fairplay, he didnt liked my thread and i understood him, and he started a new thread where he can read something for his choice.Is it that haard for you Anarchid to leave this thread, i asked already a couple of times, and i wanted to kick you if i had the chance, cause i dont find it fair for the starter of the thread not beying able to kick the spammers.

I feel like 3/4 of all posts in here were posted by Forever and you, Anarchid. From what I can tell in most of yours you were talking to him in particular. If you don't care for him, then why post? Did you fill four pages with these discussions only to judge him?

Thx Skasi for saying the truth regarding some things, I apreciate it.

The way I see it, Forever has abandoned most logic and with it, the capacity of reason (I can provide a quote about 2 forum back from @forever himself if need be).

"since reason is the capacity for consciously making sense of things, applying logic, for establishing and verifying facts, and changing or justifying practices, institutions, and beliefs based on new or existing information."


without reason we cannot make sense of anything and cannot verify any fact. in lieu of reason, all ideas that were mentioned were mere personal opinion.


so @forever , you can choose to abide by logic and have a discussion or you can throw away logic and keep your personal opinion.




to use reason, we must have agreed upon standards.


that is an agreed upon accepted source of information (I suggest wikipedia)

and also agreed upon definition of key concept (i.e. God, the Orthodox Church, the Bible (remember there are many versions of the Bible), etc...)


And a very important point, within reason, you can always be wrong. No human can be right all the time (unless you are God, which none of us are), the bible cannot be right all the time (remember there are many versions of the Bible each is slightly different). so when you see that you are wrong. please just accept it and move on to the next subject.

In other words, you say:

"I'll keep reason when it is working for me, when it is working for my opponent, I'll throw it out the window and let it die."

am I correct?

Cuz you can't say that "I follow logic till this point and abandon it at that point."


I am not saying that you can't have personal opinions. all I am saying is any claim which does not based on logic will be regarded as personal opinion.

And you are entitled to non-harmful personal opinions (if you have harmful personal opinions to us, we have the right to persecute you, according to your logic).

reason and logic is constant, the rules of reason and logic haven't change since they are established.

your church however changed, a lot, according to this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Orthodox_Church

and they are not minor changes, many changes was significant (some even affect the fundamental of the doctrine).

the idea that churches does not change is simply an illusion that you hold.


please do not make outsiders point out to you the obvious thing about your faith that you should have known.


all in all, if you doubt science and scientific methods please stop using healthcare, computer, phone, software, houses, cars, pens, paper, TV, camera,etc...

as they are the results of Science and scientific methods,


you do know that the Bible have several cures for leprosy? none of which would cure you. now imagine if you have leprosy, would you follow the Bible to your death or would you want modern healthcare to cure you.

You dont understand sortale, things never changed, regarding the ORthodox religion.Some special people uncovered these facts and made dogmas on theyir foundations.

For example watch the moses movie and see that before he went to that mountain to recive from God those 10 Commandments people felt bad when they did certain things regarding the sins mentioned in the 10 commandments.So humans were concious in a way of those laws, cause the 10 laws were written in
theyr soul.So then God gave the 10 commandments writen on ston tablets and gave them to Moses.

So here you see how people with theyir own well in small steps uncover God that has infinite wisdom.This is how it was done in the middleages, and with the foundation of Christianity with the sacrifice God made for us.

Again the Sacrifice God made for us is another part where he uncovers himself to us because we wanted that.
So uncovering those dogmas Sortale that you see in the history of orthodoxy is just the will of man that wants to learn more from God's wisdom and nothing else.They are not man made dogmas, they are influenced by God in 100% but untied with the will of humans.Most of the dogmas were made and installed in the moments of the 7ecumenical synods that took place.And there were Saints present there that made miracoles just to explain more the about the Creator.

So we have a kind of perception like science has, the one where people discover more in case they study and develop certain things and uncover new theories how the world was build from the fizical point of view.(and how it works of course)

With the will of man and the Creator we find out more about the Creator.

I am making this last message as a warning for Anarchid in case he will post here agian.He doesnt care about whats written here and he just trolls the thread.He doesnt want to leave so il report him soon as i find him write another post here.Thx for the understading.