BAR got Day9 to play

Good for them.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2546306772?filter=archives&sort=time



I wonder if that can open a door for ZK somehow. I don't know how often ZK is mentionned in BAR circles, but seems like BAR is mentionned quite a lot in ZK circles.

I recall seeing something a while ago. He is good for highlighting confusing mechanics and UI issues. I assume that there is a bit of a tier system with streamers, where you need to work your way up to larger streamers from smaller ones. But people could try suggesting ZK.

Yes yes I've been literally dreaming about the Mandalore day for ages, but it may well never come, he has a billion games on his list and he only gets around to doing a handful of games a year. Anyway Mandalore recently got a full time job at a games studio afaik so now he has way less time for this.

Also Mandalore look like they fell off the surface of the planet.

No activity in six months on YT and 9 months on Twitch.

But otherwise it functions the same right?

Metal first goes in high, demand from high is subtracted, if there is metal left it spills to low...?

Yah I realized I wasn't going to toutch that unless I spend more time than I'm currently willing learning BAR.

I just went through economy tutorials, and BP is so messy in BAR. Holy crap.

One thing I am not sure on that seems absolutely crazy about BAR is that everything needs metal, some things need energy (not to spend metal, but the building has an actual energy cost) which is fine, and build power... which is really time units if you think about it.


So if I have a building that costs 100 metal and 100 BP, and I build it with a 10 BP con, I spend 10 metal per second for 10 seconds. Ok, same as ZK.

But if I have a building that costs 1 000 000 metal, 100 BP and I build it with a 10 BP con, that same con now spends 100 000 metal per second for 10 seconds? Do I get this right? If so, how do you explain to new players that this con with 10 BP sometimes spends 10 metal per second, sometimes 100 000?

This is of course an extreme example that doesn't exist in the game AFAIK, but if I understood the tutorial, that's how it would go.

People already struggle with 1 BP = 1 M/S, and BAR wants different projects with different ratios? Brrrooooooooooo...

I was genuinely hoping someone was going to tell me that I was wrong and stupid. Or at least stupid.


EDIT:

To be fair though, ZK's economy would break if there was a third resource.
Let's say we now have oil. How do you implement oil costs if they don't match metal 1:1?

Actually, you don't even need a third resource. What if a building had a 100 metal cost and a 10 energy cost? ZK would now also have project based ratios unless it always matches metal 1:1, and if it does, why bother?

TBH in the situation we are currently, the primary goal would just be to have eyeballs on the game.

He spent 2/3 of the stream vs an inactive AI, just toying with units and trying to understand economy.

quote: He spent 2/3 of the stream vs an inactive AI, just toying with units and trying to understand economy.

The playing is part of the payoff of the understanding, and the ability to play is evidence of there being something worth understanding. So I think SnuggleBass's comment stands. So what we need is unchanged: someone has to step up and really push a marketing effort.

Maybe this happens after someone steps up and pushes a basic graphics update. Not a highly-skilled graphics update, just a bunch of actual work. Cataloguing maps and BAR shaders, tweaking lighting configs and defaults. Curating existing tech and capabilities.

I watched snippets of the game at the end and it mostly just reminded me of BA: units and tactics being rendered irrelevant by economy scaling and whatever has the most range.