Torpedo/antisub hover?

Has a hover unit with torpedo or other antisub weapon been explored in ca/zk? Because it would add an interesting countermeasure to subs in hover fac, and a way to regain a sub-infested sea. Ships would still be the superior sea factory, but this would open up new strategies.

If the torps didn't hit hovers, sure, they would be epic as antisubs. But coultn't the unit compensate with other things, like low speed, range, HP, high cost, etc?

The sub vs hover dynamic feels strange currently, since there's no interaction except subs pwning all hover player's structures, and only hover player's urchins being able to hit subs.

Precision bombers 1-shot Serpents, Antero.

I think adding another counter to serpent would be one more good reason to add antisub hovers.

Addendum: if hovers gain a counter to subs, then subs should gain a counter to hover!

If there was an antisub hover, sea would sure be easier to get back than now, but it'd still be quite hard. This would be good imo.

Serpent is the arty sub. Snake is the regular sub. This is the cause of all the confusion. They 1-shot snakes, not serpents.

Ah.. yesh.. Serpents are the arti subs. You gotta say that, I rarely go subs! Well yeah I don't like any of the current sub units tbh. They're all boring.

Anyway, in future there will probably be amphib units other than hovers. These will surely be target able by hovers. It'll be nice when there's two different amphibs - one that can be shot by torpedoes and one that can't! Don't you think?

Likewise it will be nice when both use different ways to fight subs or when one of them can't fight them at all. I'd like to see minelaying hovers. You know, underwater mines, or similar! Or a hover that can somehow go underwater and fight subs. You know, something special, not just a torpedo hover.

Serpents should move deeper if the seabed allow this ( Disallow hovers to hover over them and see them ).

Your anti-sub hover could be a slow low-fire-rate unit with a low-range launcher or could fire targetable deepcharges.

Targetable deepcharges means, that you need more of them to effectively damage snakes - they can have low DPS because of a low fire rate too.

Because Snakes and Serpents move at a deeper altitude, they have time to fire the slow moving mines ( compare it with a bandit which is running away from a glaive )

because hovers aren't targetable for subs, we can also add a water-mine sub, which spams mines like volverine, but on the surface.
-> Sure they can also have a really low dps and can be used to counter penetrators or other low-HP targets, but should be very very inefficient.

At least they have to come close to your anti sub hovers and run into torp launcher things, but they can be used against all things on water.

Another option would be to make cloakable sub-pupies, which cost 200 metal each, and can't 'goo'.

It would also be nice to have dropable buildings - see the teleporter thread.

You have one sender and one receiver -> get the cheaper receiver to the target and let it "build/receive" the unit while the other part is "reclaiming/sending" this unit.

( to avoid abuse, it has to be fast, destroy both parts if unfinished, finish the building and the reclaiming at some percent before it would be finished anyway without need of the other part and block the teleported things for normal constructor interaction - damage while transport can be lethal )

Fleas should have a newton strength gravity gun and 100k HP, but have normal cost, size, and speed!