I know a lot of people dislike clans,
I on the other hand are somewhat sad that you seem to need them just to get this:


For once i don`t want to shit on my team-mates (shout-outs especially to Spon21 who was very useful and ambitious through all the games i have played with them),
but this is to show that you seem to be in close communication to get attentive and remotely organised team-play. If we are asked to accept all kinds of skill-levels in game, please accept our desire for some organisation to be possible as well.

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Yeah i forgot Sippio is also purple...

But Sigero killed 9 coms, 1 russian tank battalion and 3 british Antarctica-expeditions in that game to be fair.

I don't know about anybody else, but when I play in "close communication" with other people on my team and get a competitive advantage through so doing, the fun in that is playing against other teams with the same advantage, not curb-stomping teams that don't have it. The latter seems like it would get old pretty quick. But maybe that's just me.

I agree with you Aquanim, "curb-stomping" is not fun if I am on the winning side either. But if you think our communication would allow us to do that by default on a regular basis you grossly misinterpret our reality:
For example:

https://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/1092921

https://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/1092896

https://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/1092855

At that say, i played around 10 games, lost 8, won 2.

I actually don`t know what Anir is going on about... We get stacked so hard usually it`s not funny. And once we win, the complains start.
Also,
1. Mumble is not exclusive
2. Aren`t there more players on Discord than in the lobby all the time? Voice-communication is no privilege exclusive to us.

3. For the curb-stomp i blame a map that is so narrow that 1 stinger insta-blocks ~50% of the passway...

Comunication is important,but... in most cases we dont really inhabit the same lanes and comunication dont play a big factor anymore.
And rushing forward means we will fight entire enemy team and get stomped quite quickly,this is what usually happens,this game is an exception were the enemy team was not very active at the frontline and just porced in front of theyre base instead of making units and crushing our rush.

On another note,because we get stacked and must spread across the front such that we hold the frontline while half our team rushes stupid stuff in the back comunication will not help since everyone is "alone".

My point was, should we stop to play as a team just because we dont have another team that would balance us out?


And it is true, we loose many games due to getting stacked hard.
However, i would not totaly agree that its just so that mumble is good at keeping their good players withhin the clan. Or that we don't communicate at all. (Not denying that sometimes its not very usefull, but most often in critical situations, it works very well, or coordinated attacks/sharring early battle plans quickly)

Because looking back in history, most mumble players joined, before they were ranked so well.
I remember, that I myself gained around 300 (back then elo) points due to better coordination with teammates, and incredibly high winrates for a few months unitl I reached my "new" ranking.
And looking at it, this is the case for many players. Good examples are katastrophe, Romux, Topkack, mojjj, esainane and myself.

A good indicator for this is that this type of players is typically weaker in 1v1 scenarios then in teamgames. Not saying they can't/haven't improved in this field later on.

Well, i am not 100% certain for esanaime, but myself, I was certainly way stronger in teamgames then in 1v1. Nowadays, its probably even.
I don't have hard evidence to support what i am saying.


But it is a very interesting topic.

quote: Ps. How did you show them both at the same time?

I copied both as image and overlayed Casual over MM as a layer with Dodge filter in Gimp. Then i rescaled Casual vertically so that its 2600 and 1400 lines would match MM.

quote: And, even so, it still supports my claim, at the beginning, more or less half my time as a player, eg. 4 years or so, i was constantly way better as a team player then 1v1 player. Even at some points improving on it way faster then as a 1v1 player.

It could also be simply that you learn teams skills quicker because they can be directly copied from teammates by imitation. Then you start improving on your own, leaving the teachers behind. This model predicts that a high-skill player joining Mumble will not increase their rating.

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